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To: lewisglad

Not good enough? What do you want? An invasion? Sorry to let you know that we’re bankrupt and can’t afford another Wilsonian crusade.


12 posted on 06/16/2009 12:16:08 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Not good enough? What do you want? An invasion? Sorry to let you know that we’re bankrupt and can’t afford another Wilsonian crusade

Harsh. Have you bothered to read Twitter....the only source from Iran?

1377. Iranian people dont want such a president and his group,we want freedom,international community must help us.they are killing our people,shame on them,shame on ahmadinejad,they cheated us in election,help people of my country,you must help us,where is UN ? ,we die ,we shout,we never give up ,but we need you sopurt and help Posted by maryam June 16, 09 11:46 AM

21 posted on 06/16/2009 12:19:42 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: Captain Kirk

Why do you seem to think the only two possible responses are moronic platitudes or an invasion?

There are a wide range of other possible responses which lie somewhere in between those two.

For instance, the suggestion in Post #7, above does not seem unreasonable.

Even making harsher, more critical, would be better than what our “Dear Leader” has done/said so far.


34 posted on 06/16/2009 12:27:09 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Captain Kirk

Why don’t you want meddle when this might be our best chance to end the war on terror with victory over Iran’s terrorist regime?


47 posted on 06/16/2009 12:40:22 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (She is our Joan of Arc and we are her Guardian Captains.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Recall being told the war in Iraq would “pay for itself”? Neocons say the darnedest things...

Anyway, there is some seriously diseased thinking in hoping that democracy, even when free of corruption, will help to “transform” the middle-east or other trouble regions. Democracy is just a reflection of the values and whims of the voting population - take a good look at the values and whims of the unwashed masses in the middle east and someone honestly tell me that the results of an election will be good. If I said installing democracy within a prison or insane asylum would have a “transformative effect” on the inhabitants, I would rightly be ridiculed. But when the same is said of the middle-east, much chin-stroking, head-nodding, symposium-organizing, and government-planning occurs. Delusional, 100% delusional.

“They” are a nuisance to us because they can project power, they can project power because they have the wealth to do so, they have the wealth to do so because we buy oil from them, and we buy oil from them because there is no technological alternative to oil, and they have most of it (at least most of it for the right price). Democracy “solves” none of that. In Iran, we have one group of Islamic fundies rioting because another group of Islamic fundies won the election. Iwannajihad vs Iwannasmallahihad.

Don’t get me wrong, there are lots of decent people within Islamic nations, Iran especially. They are why I don’t advocate the glass parking lot approach. But minorities of the sane do not win elections against majorities of the insane. Wilsonianism is intellectually bankrupt and wholly inapplicable in the swaths of the world its proponents think it to be of the greatest utility.

Neutering AOPEC (via paradigm-shifting technological innovation) would hinder their ability project power. But corrupting their culture (via indirect media and other corporate channels) is basically our only shot at truly civilizing their Neanderthal majorities, short of British-style imperialism (no thanks - wars are expensive enough).


75 posted on 06/16/2009 2:27:21 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: Captain Kirk

I want a real president; not this puppet.


76 posted on 06/16/2009 2:38:35 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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