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To: TaraP; PeaceBeWithYou; Quix

You said — MAYBE REVELATION 12:3

That verse is — “And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.”

This is a symbol and symbols in the Bible represent either some-one, or some-thing or some-event or some-process. In this section you have a series of symbols — and some of those symbols are directly identified, some are recognized by inference and others are recognized by Old Testament references. When you put them all together, you can identify all those symbols — and *none* of them are an exploding star in the heavens or some gas giant or whatever (like that...).

Symbols -

(1) the woman — is Israel
(2) the child — is the Messiah of Israel
(3) fiery red dragon — is Satan
(4) stars of heaven — are angels
(5) male child — same as #2, is the Messiah of Israel (rule with a rod of iron - Psalm 2:9; Rev 2:27; Rev 19:15)
(6) blood of the Lamb, and Lamb — the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, the Messiah of Israel
(7) wings of an eagle — the deliverance from God, by His own hands (as in Exodus 19:4)
(8) flood after the woman — a large enemy army coming to attack Israel (Isaiah 59:19)
(9) carried away by the flood — to be defeated
(10) her place — specially prepared place, by God, for Israel (referenced in Rev 12:14)
(11) swallowed up the flood — the physical protection from the enemies of Israel, in that specially prepared place from God (referenced in Rev 12:16)
(12) rest of her offspring — is those “who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” at that time.

Facts and Details —

(1) A third of the stars — we’re given that number of angels who fell with Satan, a third.
(2) Rule all nations with a rod of iron — we’re told that this is the Messiah of Israel by this reference and by matching up with other sections of the Bible.
(3) Child was caught up to God and His Throne — the taking up of the Messiah of Israel after His death and resurrection, where he is now, at the Throne of God.
(4) War broke out in heaven — we’re told that this is the time that war breaks out in heaven (note that Revelation is following a sequence of events in the Tribulation time, so this happens in the time of the Tribulation years.
(5) Satan cast out and down to earth — we’re told that Satan is finally cast out, as he’s been the accuser of the brethren for a long time, up to that point in time, having access to heaven just like we’re told in the book of Job. He’s now confined to earth.
(6) Heaven is finally free of Satan — we’re told “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.”
(7) Satan’s short time — we’re told that as a result of being cast down, now Satan knows his time is very short (and that’s 1,260 days, according to what Revelation tells us).

And so from all this, we can see that this, in Revelation 12, really has nothing at all to do with any stars collapsing in what we can see in the sky or scientists observe. This *is not* what Revelation 12 is talking about — and *not even* in any “symbols” is Revelation 12 talking about that...


Revelation 12

1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.

4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.

14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.

16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


This is a Revelation from Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, to John, giving him what is going to happen in the future, and doing so by allowing John to see these things and giving him the symbols to describe it to us. They represent real things, real people, real nations, real events on earth and in Heaven, and in a real time frame that we’re given, too.

And there you have it...


124 posted on 06/11/2009 8:55:33 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Good points, imho.


138 posted on 06/11/2009 1:13:44 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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