Posted on 06/06/2009 4:03:14 AM PDT by Kaslin
B-17’s were bombers. Indirectly they reduced the number of German planes in the air on D-Day by attriting German industrial capacity. I would have thought it was fighter planes that got the credit for “winning the air war.”
I don’t mean in any way to demean the accomplishments of LeMay and the B-17 pilots. I guess I don’t understand the dual emphasis of the article on US bombers and the fact that D-Day was successful because there were no German planes in the air.
What the nuclear deterrent has saved my generation from.
There does seem to be an awful lot of connections left out of the story. I too would expect the emphasis to be on fighters. It’s as easy to bomb a tank factory as it is to bomb a plane factory.
I wish we had some more like General LeMay today. Of course, we can’t bomb everyone back into the “stone age” but there are a few that are just begging for it.
I totally agree with this point of view. Not just the 17s but the constant bombardment of industrial facilities that knocked out the ability to replace the fighters and lots of other war materiel by the time our fighter strenght was up to start knocking their aircraft out of action.
” Of course, we can’t bomb everyone back into the “stone age” but there are a few that are just begging for it.”
It’s a dilemma though. How do you bomb someone back to the stone age when they never left in the first place?
You should read Speer's Inside the Third Reich. At the same time that Speer was arguing for the necessity of dispersing ball bearing manufacturing, Bomber Harris was arguing against targeting ball bearing factories, reasoning that the Germans must certainly have already dispersed this vital industry.
Most of the economic impact of Allied bombing during the War was a result of attacks on oil refineries and coal liquidification facilities. Bombing, on the whole was effective, however. The Germans diverted two million men and valuable equipment, including 88-mm cannon from the east to counter air raids.
Escort fighters would not have risen to challenge flights of fighters, the Luftwaffe was destroyed trying to counter Allied bombing attacks. The Battle of Britain had been a disaster for the Luftwaffe, largely because of Hitler's insistence on targeting London and other inland cities. The Luftwaffe was agruably winning until Hitler changed the goal from commanding the sky over southern England in support of an invasion to bringing England to her knees by aerial bombardment. Hitler assumed that the British would reject Churchill and sue for peace after a short period of aerial punishment from the Luftwaffe.
The Luftwaffe did not have the capacity for sustained long range bombing. Ju-88 suffered about a 12% loss rate on raids over London during the Blitz. ME-109 only carried enough fuel to fly from France to London and back and stay over London for five minutes, according to Adolf Galland. The cream of the Luftwaffe's fighter pilots splashed into the channel short of France, short of fuel.
When the Americans arrived, with aircraft production in good months greater than German production during the entire War, they delivered a death blow to the teetering Luftwaffe. American planes were also superior to almost every German model, with the exception of the ME-262. The British also produced large numbers of fine planes and outstanding pilots. (When Herr Goering, excuse me, Meyer, asked Galland if there was anything he could do to help, Galland famously replied, "Ja, get me a squadron of Spitfires!")
Good point. Maybe take away their access to rocks and sharp sticks.
You can thank Curtis LeMay for part of that also, because he ran the Strategic Air Command after the war.
Incredable...1st your confusing the battle of Britain which was a battle using the Spitfire fighter as a defence. The Brits won it because the Germans, who’s military hirearchy consisted of political blowhards kissing up to a madman who changed tactics from bombing strategic targets..... Aircraft factories, and airfields etc to bombing London.
If some German worth his salt spoke up against these people they were gone... This plus radar enabled the Brits to amass their fighters at choke points which proved costly to the Germans because it allowed those Brit factories to build fighters and bombers.
I’m amazed at the current little understanding of what took place of tatics or the equipment used during WWII. B-17 and 24’s were long range bombers, (they weren’t called Flyng Fortresses for nothing),In that crew of 10, they had 50 cal machine gunners, some single and some double barrel in the; nose, tail, 2 fuselage either side, and underbelly)
Because of their range (700+ mi up and back) flew without fighter escort (range 400mi- or + up and back) deep into enemy territory bombing factories, transport terminals, and fuel supply points Thanks to that decision by Hitler to discontinue stategic bombing we kept our eye upon the doughnut not upon the hole. From wars outset the only fighter which had a range of 1000 miles was the Jap Zero thats 500 mi up and back (usually 350 mi if air combact was expected).
If you were to put a WWII fighter next to todays jets F-16 they’d look like Piper Cubs.
To understand what went on rent “12 O’clock High”,because decisions to send these young men out on missions was not taken lightly. 12 O’clock High does if I recall have news reel clips of bombing missions.
There's a humorous anecdote about a B-17 pilot that had landed on a fog shrouded runway in England shortly after LeMay's arrival. The pilot was having trouble seeing anything.
LeMay got on the horn and said, "Can you see the runway lights and follow them?" The pilot retorted back, "Hell... I can't even see my co-pilot!"
Got your book yet?
If the Germans could have put Me262s over the beaches that day things might have turned out rather different. The Nazi’s lost the war when they lost control of the sky.
Yep... Hitler didn’t listen to his commanders who knew the value of the ME 262.
Hitler made a number of mistakes that cost him the war and his life. The failure to update his aircraft designs was one of them—along will delaying the V-2.
Error One—Targeting cities rather than bases in the Battle of Britain. He got all emotional when the RAF bombed Berlin.
Error Two— Invading Russia when he did.
Error Three—Declaring war on the USA after Pearl Harbor. He didn’t need to do it. Japan broke the treaty when it attacked the USA.
Error Four—Not supporting Rommel in Africa.
Error Five— Not getting Spain to join him in the war.
Error Six— The war against the Jews that took too many resources from the war effort.
Error Seven— Poor treatment of the Ukrainians and Russians caused them to support Stalin.
Error Eight— Losing control of the Air.
Error Nine— Not getting an atomic weapons program started and funded.
Error Ten— Not improving the U-Boats until it was too late to win the Battle of the Atlantic.
Error Eleven— Trusting Enigma Code that the British had cracked.
Error Twelve—Not getting Argentina to join him in the war.
I would say going into Africa in the first place. Rommel and the Afrika Korps could have been put to much better use elsewhere.
If Rommel had seized Egypt the Moselem Brotherhood would have joined them in revolt against England—this would have set the Middle East on fire and undermined England. They went in to support the Italians but, if they had more resources the war could have been won in Africa.
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