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To: ChrisInAR

> YIKES!!! So you support STRICTLY enforcing laws that you think are wrong or should be changed? Wouldn’t it make more sense to support changing the law instead?

No, read it again: I am opposed to immigrants moving to a new country and flouting that country’s laws — irrespective of whether those laws are, in the opinion of the immigrant — good laws or bad laws or indifferent laws. Doing that is Bad Citizenship and Bad Manners. It shows a remarkable level of Disrespect and ingratitude to a country that has provided the immigrant with a new home.

Speaking as an Immigrant myself I would not dream of doing such a thing to my new Country. Sure, now that I am here, with Citizenship, I may well choose to try to have the laws changed thru legal means: that is my right, and if the laws are egregious then it is also my responsibility as a Good Citizen.

But it is never my right to flout the laws of the Land. Not as a natural born Citizen and all the moreso definitely not as a naturalized Immigrant Citizen.

> OooooooK! W/ that line of thinking (& provided that you are pro-life like I am), it sounds like you might support having the FBI start rounding up pro-life demonstrators who come too close to an abortion mill, possibly? After all, I thought there was a federal law preventing such an activity.

Given the above clarification and context, I hope you can see where this straw man would fall over. As a new immigrant I would not participate in Civil Disobedience — and indeed I never have. Not even since becoming a Citizen. I do not believe in Civil Disobedience to start with: I’m quite happy to use The System to change The System. And on the day that fails to work the only recourse is outright rebellion and mutiny.

You see, The System does work.


20 posted on 06/05/2009 7:24:25 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I understand....you have made some good points & I respect you for it.

I myself don’t see a problem w/ civil disobedience when necessary. For example, when pro-life demonstrators got arrested when Obama went to Notre Dame. That’s just me, however. To each his own, I guess. :-)


21 posted on 06/05/2009 7:40:51 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
the problem is not with his actions but with the ambiguous nature of the law which allows for one to sell water pipes, hookahs, bongs, etc. for the purpose of smoking tobacco. it is when the buyer mentions drugs that it becomes a crime for the seller. drugs never enter the picture except in speech which makes this more of a thought-crime instead of a drug crime. this guy is one of the true innocents of the drug war. tommy chong got busted by shipping bongs across state lines to a county where they were prohibited even for tobacco, drugs weren't even a factor.
23 posted on 06/05/2009 7:44:35 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (DEA, busting down doors since 1970)
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