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In light of this institutional culture, and the order to be careful in investigations relating to Black Muslim converts, it would not be at all surprising to us if a supervisor refused to authorize a full-field investigation of Muhammad that would have included surveillance of his activities.

*snip*

We will be watching with interest to see what really transpired. The details will be extremely interesting, especially coming at a time when the Obama administration appears to be following the Clinton-era policy of stressing the primacy of the FBI and the law enforcement aspect of counterterrorism policy at the expense of intelligence and other elements.

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Dear Lord .. Jamie Gorelick must be a stealth admin operative. Here we go again .. inviting an attack. Prayers for protection.

1 posted on 06/04/2009 12:28:11 AM PDT by STARWISE
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~~PING!


2 posted on 06/04/2009 12:33:07 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE
Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

Who else could issue such a directive other than the AG or the White House?

3 posted on 06/04/2009 12:40:09 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: STARWISE

WP Article from August 20, 2005:

Mueller (FBI director Robert S. Mueller III)recently told Congress that one area of the war on terrorism that causes him great concern is the potential for extremist groups such as al Qaeda to recruit radicalized American Muslim converts. Mueller drew a bead on the American prison system, which he described in written testimony as “fertile ground for extremists who exploit both a prisoner’s conversion to Islam while still in prison, as well as their socioeconomic status and placement in the community upon their release.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/19/AR2005081901460.html

This new era of hope and change really stinks!


5 posted on 06/04/2009 12:50:17 AM PDT by appleseed
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To: STARWISE

Since we the people pay the salaries of Obama and Holder as well as the other government agencies including local; then it would be up to us regarding what to do.


6 posted on 06/04/2009 1:03:54 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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Pings, guys...


7 posted on 06/04/2009 1:13:45 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (BG x 2)
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To: STARWISE

It wouldn’t matter if the FBI did arrest them for some crime. Holder would just drop the charges. The FBI should be concentrating on White Muslim converts. I’m thinking not only would they get the go ahead from the Attorney General, but Sottomayor would uphold any conviction.


9 posted on 06/04/2009 1:24:18 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: STARWISE

Goes right along with dropping the charges on the New Black Panthers.


11 posted on 06/04/2009 3:02:43 AM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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Hope FOX will investigate and report on this aspect too.


16 posted on 06/04/2009 5:19:44 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: STARWISE

“...especially coming at a time when the Obama administration appears to be following the Clinton-era policy of stressing the primacy of the FBI and the law enforcement aspect of counterterrorism policy at the expense of intelligence and other elements. “

Especially coming at a time when...more and more efforts
are being made to tie “white militia/rightwing radicals
to terrorism.

Coincidence? I think not.


21 posted on 06/04/2009 8:23:02 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: STARWISE
Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

Yep - it was important to push the FBI into investigating Americans who happen to be conservative. Those Republicans - the party of Abraham Lincoln - those grandparents - the ones who believe in things like the Constitution - they're the problem. /s

23 posted on 06/04/2009 9:07:11 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: STARWISE
It's WRONG

when the power of the state

the FBI -

is used to go after the political enemies

of the party in power.

WRONG

AGAINST THE

LAW.

24 posted on 06/04/2009 9:10:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: STARWISE

Given that they already knew this guy had been arrested in Yemen for using a Somali passport, why in the heck would they not watch him, if not for some “hands off” policy from on high?


28 posted on 06/04/2009 9:22:15 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to "back off" of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts. At this point, it is unclear to us if that guidance was given by the White House or the Department of Justice, or if it was promulgated by the agencies themselves, anticipating the wishes of President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.
Welcome to Detroit, everyone!
32 posted on 06/04/2009 9:38:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: STARWISE

“Dear Lord .. Jamie Gorelick must be a stealth admin operative. Here we go again .. inviting an attack. Prayers for protection.” ~ STARWISE

WSJ
Gorelick’s Wall
The Commissioner belongs in the witness chair.
Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:01 A.M. EDT
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004956

We predicted Democrats would use the 9/11 Commission for partisan purposes, and that much of the press would oblige. But color us astonished that barely anyone appreciates the significance of the bombshell Attorney General John Ashcroft dropped on the hearings Tuesday. If Jamie Gorelick were a Republican, you can be sure our colleagues in the Fourth Estate would be leading the chorus of complaint that the Commission’s objectivity has been fatally compromised by a member who was also one of the key personalities behind the failed antiterror policy that the Commission has under scrutiny. Where’s the outrage?

At issue is the pre-Patriot Act “wall” that prevented communication between intelligence agents and criminal investigators—a wall, Mr. Ashcroft said, that meant “the old national intelligence system in place on September 11 was destined to fail.” The Attorney General explained:

“In the days before September 11, the wall specifically impeded the investigation into Zacarias Moussaoui, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. After the FBI arrested Moussaoui, agents became suspicious of his interest in commercial aircraft and sought approval for a criminal warrant to search his computer. The warrant was rejected because FBI officials feared breaching the wall.

“When the CIA finally told the FBI that al-Midhar and al-Hazmi were in the country in late August, agents in New York searched for the suspects. But because of the wall, FBI headquarters refused to allow criminal investigators who knew the most about the most recent al Qaeda attack to join the hunt for the suspected terrorists.

“At that time, a frustrated FBI investigator wrote headquarters, quote, ‘Whatever has happened to this—someday someone will die—and wall or not—the public will not understand why we were not more effective and throwing every resource we had at certain ‘problems.’ “

What’s more, Mr. Ashcroft noted, the wall did not mysteriously arise: “Someone built this wall.” That someone was largely the Democrats, who enshrined Vietnam-era paranoia about alleged FBI domestic spying abuses by enacting the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

Mr. Ashcroft pointed out that the wall was raised even higher in the mid-1990s, in the midst of what was then one of the most important antiterror investigations in American history—into the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. On Tuesday the Attorney General declassified and read from a March 4, 1995, memo in which Jamie Gorelick—then Deputy Attorney General and now 9/11 Commissioner—instructed then-FBI Director Louis Freeh and United States Attorney Mary Jo White that for the sake of “appearances” they would be required to adhere to an interpretation of the wall far stricter than the law required.

Ms. White was then the lead prosecutor in cases related to the Trade Center bombing. Ms. Gorelick explicitly references United States v. Yousef and United States v. Rahman—cases that might have greatly expanded our pre-9/11 understanding of al Qaeda had investigators been given a freer hand. The memo is a clear indication that there was pressure then for more intelligence sharing. Ms. Gorelick’s response is an unequivocal “no”:

“We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation” (emphases added).

In case anyone was in doubt, Janet Reno herself affirmed the policy several months later in a July 19, 1995, memo that we have unearthed. In it, the then-Attorney General instructs all U.S. Attorneys about avoiding “the appearance” of overlap between intelligence-related activities and law-enforcement operations.

Recall, too, that during the time of Ms. Gorelick’s 1995 memo, the issue causing the most tension between the Reno-Gorelick Justice Department and Director Freeh’s FBI was not counterterrorism but widely reported allegations of contributions to the Clinton-Gore campaign from foreign sources, involving the likes of John Huang and Charlie Trie. Mr. Trie later told investigators that between 1994 and 1996 he raised some $1.2 million, much of it from foreign sources, whose identities were hidden by straw donors. Ms. Gorelick resigned as deputy attorney general in 1997 to become vice chairman of Fannie Mae.

From any reasonably objective point of view, the Gorelick memo has to count as by far the biggest news so far out of the 9/11 hearings. The Mary Jo White prosecutions and the 2001 Moussaoui arrest were among our best chances to uncover and unravel the al Qaeda network before it struck the homeland. But thanks in part to the Clinton Administration’s concern with appearances and in part to its legacy, these investigations were hamstrung.

Ms. Gorelick—an aspirant to Attorney General under a President Kerry—now sits in judgment of the current Administration. This is what, if the principle has any meaning at all, people call a conflict of interest. Henry Kissinger was hounded off the Commission for far less. It’s such a big conflict of interest that the White House could hardly be blamed if it decided to cease cooperation with the 9/11 Commission pending Ms. Gorelick’s resignation and her testimony under oath as a witness into the mind of the Reno Justice Department. What exactly was the purpose of the wall?


33 posted on 06/04/2009 9:38:33 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: STARWISE
Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

Hm. Bad news, if true. But I'd want independent confirmation of this before I take it too seriously.

Appeals to "sources" are untrustworthy in any event, especially when they're so ... timely. And Strafor "went sensational" several years ago, so I'm not sure that we can trust what they're saying, either.

38 posted on 06/04/2009 9:56:50 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: STARWISE

bttt


42 posted on 06/04/2009 1:57:57 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Fred Nerks

ping


47 posted on 06/04/2009 6:52:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: Fred Nerks

ping


48 posted on 06/04/2009 6:52:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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