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To: NicknamedBob; Alamo-Girl
As described through action in the series and the movies, the process disassembles an object and subsequently reassembles it, unavoidably involving exactly the question about "original" versus "recreation".... Anyway, other methods of teleportation may not be entirely encumbered by this problem. So-called "natural" teleportation ... seem[s] to involve disappearing from one location and reappearing in another without aid from mechanical contrivances. It's more a matter of making the space between places disappear than of making an object disassemble itself and then reassemble itself.

"Natural teleportation" seemingly is a reference to wormholes — which are mathematical objects that have not yet been directly observed in nature as far as I know. I understand the folding of the spacetime "fabric" is mathematically tractible; but what the math describes has not yet been seen in physical reality.

In Star Trek, the "beam me up Scotty!" method of teleportation is probably physically unrealizable — that is, by means of Newtonian assumptions and methods. I don't know whether it's mathematically tractible.

But this was the pip:

Another mental exercise to consider is that if someone, somehow, developed the ability to live for a very long time, or even become effectively immortal, he would still be plagued by doubts about the presence or absence of a soul.

And, of course, he would never learn about the rewards due him in his afterlife.

Really cute, NicknamedBob. Not that you believe in souls or the afterlife. You seem to suggest one moots the entire problem of afterlife if one can become immortal. [Science is probably working on it.] Then, one never has to face Judgment. All you have to do to evade Judgment is to never die. Plus you seem to assert that such an effectively immortal person would never have any awareness or confidence that he had a soul. Are you suggesting that a person has to die physically before he becomes aware that he has a soul??? [Reply in the affirmative would posit soul as a real entity (LOL! but then so would a reply in the negative); but the respondent couldn't know that for certain ('cause he's not dead yet, being virtually immortal.... Don't get whiplash here folks!)] So he dismisses the issue as irrelevant to him.

Plus on such a view it follows that if one cannot learn anything about "the rewards due him in an afterlife," one has no reason to alter his behavior in the here and now. Since he cannot (because he doesn't need to, being virtually immortal) see the measure of Justice, he might as well make himself his own measure.... And so he does.

Diagnosis: Total spiritual closure. Prognosis: Utter despair sooner or later. For as Francis Schaeffer starkly put it, the most rational thing a nihilist can do (given his worldview and presuppositions) is to commit suicide.

I'm trying to understand your thinking here. At this point, I'd have to say you seem to be rather attracted to the doctrines of atheism, a/k/a nihilism. Which is a kind of party trick....

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120 posted on 06/06/2009 1:20:07 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: betty boop
"I'm trying to understand your thinking here. At this point, I'd have to say you seem to be rather attracted to the doctrines of atheism, a/k/a nihilism."

I'm a poet.

“A Well Of Joy”
( -- phrase by Joel Osteen)

There is a well of joy in you,
An ocean in your blood.
Be glad for this component,
The rest of you is mud.

Deep down inside your spirit,
A depth of strength and love,
Wells up to bring the zest to life,
A gift from up above.

When parched by circumstances,
Or reeling from a blow,
Tap into depths of energy,
Unlimited below.

The lifting of this resource,
Will lift you up as well,
To slake your thirst for happiness,
In places that you dwell.

The desert land of loneliness,
The mountains of despair,
Are quite improved by tiny sips,
Of nectar you can share.

Just reach inside your spirit,
The recipe is this,
When desolation comes to call,
Give it a sloppy kiss!

NicknamedBob . . . July 8, 2007

Note that this combines a scientific view, "an ocean in your blood", and "the rest of you is mud" -- since dust and clay, plus liquid, produces mud ...

... along with a spiritual component, or several; "... inside your spirit ... a gift from up above ..."

Clearly, my thinking is ...
... um ... chaotic.

I'm a poet.

121 posted on 06/06/2009 2:28:00 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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To: betty boop
"...if one cannot learn anything about "the rewards due him in an afterlife," one has no reason to alter his behavior in the here and now."

A common misperception.

It assumes that an individual is incapable of deciding right or wrong, ethical or unethical, and prudent or imprudent, without having Jiminy Cricket harping in his ear.

Not true.

The unnecessary breaking of glass is a wrong action. Why? Because it invites the occurrence of future harm to unknown individuals. It could even bring harm to the one breaking the glass.

Essentially, if you can't undo it, don't do it.

It's a kind of ethical, or practical standard for behavior.

Mindless destruction of resources is stupid, in addition to being wasteful. Why squander what could be of benefit if the circumstances change?

And these are rules that can benefit an individual in a society of only one. How much more beneficial could such actions become in a more crowded venue?

Some of us drive as though we own the road. But the more practical thing to do is to be cooperative.

The idiot who drives aggressively in a pedestrian-crowded parking lot seems unaware that in minutes the roles will be reversed, and he may become the selected prey of a vengeful driver in his own turn.

Most bad behavior is just another word for stupidity.

122 posted on 06/06/2009 2:53:44 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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