Other Far Right Response (Andrew Sullivan Mentions Free Republic Response to Tiller Murder)

The Atlantic ^ | 31 May 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

[nickcarraway]

From the Free Republic blog commenters, courtesy of Balloon Juice:

What goes around comes around...

One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

This isn't good, boys and girls ... not good at all. This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist, every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

SNIP

[callisto]

unless your 10-year-old is very sheltered

Yes, she is very sheltered. And she is no where near menstruation yet and has not learned about sex from her peers. Children are most frequently a product of their environment. Quite frankly, a 6-year old has no business marching for cause she cannot undestand, IMO. I don't mean to be brusk this morning but it's early.

[Guenevere]

Jeff is not spamming....

He's being 'fair and balanced' because the media won't!

If the world hadn't seen pictures of the European Holocaust during Hitler's reign, we would have trouble believing man could be so cruel, vile and evil against a fellow human being....

..the pictures were worth a thousand words, literally.

54 million dead babies are our American Holocaust, and Jeff's picture is worth the thousand words the media are not printing...

.. not reporting...

. not debating..

If your daughter's sensibilities are too unformed to see such as this....then you have a responsibility to monitor her activities.

[Guenevere]

#142 was solely for you!

[Guenevere]

We have lost our soul when we can see fit to justify cold, calculated murder

Then sir, we lost our soul on January 22, 1973.

[Jeff Head]

There are thousands of lurkers here on FR who are not the "choir".

I support every manner in which we can educate others. I do not believe they can ever be truly educated without knowing the tuth and full extent about the ghastly genocide we face. Without a full awareness it is very easy for others to fall prey to the libral PC speak of "a woman's choice", and "pro-choice".

Those terms ar meant to elecit support from anyone. Who can be against free choice? Until you see first hand, in the harsh light of day, what they are actually talking about that choice doing...mutilating a living child.

I do not enjoy it, I do not revel in it, and I wish to God we did not live in a time where such horrors have been accepted by so many as common place, a "good" thing, and proteccted under the color of corrupt law. But we do livein such times and I believe sincerly that the people simply must see the reality of what this practice actually means and is.

Then there is no mor possibility for the left and liberals to frame it as "good".

All they can then do is tlak about how their sensibilities are offnded by such graphic picturs...which are pictures of nothing more than exactly what their belief system produces THOUSANDS of times per day.

Sorry for the graphic nature of it...I mourn ourcounty over it. My wife and I have raisd three daughters ourselves and two sons. We took them at early ages to march at abortion clinics...and they knew th score then. It pained my heart to have to educate them on the reality of what we face over this as a people and a nation. But it is the truth and we must face that harsh truth and hold it up for our society to see so that our society can develop the strong, firm, tough as steel will to put this monstrocity down.

[bdeaner]

Callisto, there seems to be a contradiction in your statements about your daughter. On the one hand you say, she is "a 10-year-old who has more political and economic understanding than most adults," and yet you say she is "very sheltered" and does not know about the "birds and the bees." How can a 10-year-old have anything close to a mature understanding of politics and the economy without an understanding of sexuality, marriage and abortion? If she is all that sheltered, and you want to keep her that way, you might consider keeping her off the internet, and/or monitoring her very closely. If she is as mature politically as you suggest, then that implies she knows more about sexuality than you think but probably avoids the topic with you because she sees it makes you uncomfortable. In which case, she will talk to others about sexuality before she comes to you -- not a good thing. Again, my two cents. Take it for what it's worth.

As far as my child marching in DC, research has shown that children learn primarily through modeling behavior -- imitating the behavior of others. When children see violence on TV, the great danger is that they will model the behavior of the characters who they identify with, and become violent themselves (this has been demonstrated empirically in many, many experimental and correlational studies). But when they identify with the VICTIM (e.g., an aborted fetus), the witness of this kind of violence REDUCES the tendency toward violence and heightens sensitivity to the moral dimensions of reality. So, when my son or anybody's child sees the repercussions of abortion, and identifies with the victim (and they will), they immediately understand the moral gravity of the situation. They are "naturally" pro-life and will remain that way unless they are educated out of it by liberal education. In addition by taking the child on a march, the children are also able to model the protestors who are standing up for the right to life of innocents who are unable to protect themselves. For the child, this is an invaluable lesson that is priceless and a stimulant for character growth and moral development.

I would bet my monthly paycheck that those kids who go to marches are far less likely to commit crimes or to fall into teen pregnancy once they hit their teen years. Note: not just because of the marches, but because of the parents who discuss with their children the moral complexities of life and how to think about them properly within a strongly principled ethics.

[Jeff Head]

THE GRUESOME TRUTH OF THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER [Warning: A graphic photo of death & dismemberment]

“It is the grimmest of ironies that one of the most savage, barbaric acts of evil in history began in one of the most modernized societies of its time, where so many markers of human progress became tools of human depravity: science that can heal, used to kill; education that can enlighten, used to rationalize away basic moral impulses; the bureaucracy that sustains modern life, used as the machinery of mass death, a ruthless, chillingly efficient system where many were responsible for the killing, but few got actual blood on their hands.”–Barack Obama April 24, 2009, Holocaust Remebernce Day, Chicago Sun Times.

[callisto]

First, let me preface my reponse by saying that this is a difficult topic to converse online regarding as most people have very strong feelings on the topic and a poster's intent does not always translate well in written word.

Jeff is not spamming....

I NEVER said he was! bdeaner decided to bring you and Jeff in after my comment that bdeaner was spamming threads all day Sunday. I guess he needed support to attack me for my comments to him, as there seems to be an assumption that my initial post was meant to be derogatory, but that is far from the truth. Feel free to look at my posts and you'll see, out of all of bdeaner's photo posts, ONCE (on Monday) I asked him to at least broadcast a disclaimer when he posted the pic. Most of bdeaner's photos from Sunday were removed by the mods so I can't be the only poster who felt a disclaimer would have been couteous.

He's being 'fair and balanced' because the media won't!

I have no problem with "fair and balanced." The thread where I posted my request was one where FR was mentioned in the title and the meat of the article were FReeper posts from Sunday which the left is using to impune all FReepers as if we are the cause of his death. As I said in my initial post, IMO the photo on that specific thread was providing ammunition for further negative articles on pro-abortion sites. My intent was in support of this site and its members.

Regarding my 10-year old: If I wasn't monitoring her online activities I wouldn't have seen bdeaner's photos on all of the threads Sunday. Based on her interest and the multitude of threads related to Tiller's death I was using it as an educational opportunity. Some things in life are better learned in stages. This is a tough topic for a 10-year old who truly has no idea about boys other than 'they're icky.' I believe FreeRepublic would benefit from a conservative kid's forum where children can post and become educated in the wide range of conservative politics.

[dforest]

Tiller was an evil, cold hearted killer, that said, it was up to divine justice between Tiller and his maker. It wasn’t for any person to decide his fate.

I don’t care what people like A Sullivan think, the man was a monster.

Now Mr Sullivan, where is your outrage about two innocent Army recruits killed in Arkansas by a Muslim?

[bdeaner]

A conservative kid's forum for Free Republic is a good idea. I support you in that initiative.

Otherwise, my initial posts with the picture on Sunday -- there were 7 total -- I believe 2 were removed by mods. You and one other person that I know of complained. I received a half dozen other replies thanking me for posting that photo. So, with three times as many people patting me on the back, I felt somewhat emboldened to respond back to you regarding your complaint. Otherwise I probably would have shrunk away, as I did initially when I heard from the moderator about the first complaint.

As I have stated, I feel strongly that the pictures are appropriate and in the context of the response we were getting from the left, and also from folks like Sullivan, it was important to send a strong message in reply. So, I sent the pic one more time on Monday. I feel it is appropriate. Let Sullivan, or anyone, try to quote me with the statement "Murder is evil" beside a picture of that poor little bloodied thing. I dare them to print it. It will never happen, because that picture tells a million words, and it is a message the pro-abortionists do not want the public to see or hear.

[callisto]

Thank you for polite response. I think we may have a better understanding of each other's perspective. As I said earlier, one's intent does not always translate accurately when posting online, and I hope I didn't come across too negatively. Jeff, Guenevere and yourself made excellent points supporting your positions and I cannot say that I disagree with your perspsective or rationale. The photo is an overwhelming "view" and odds were, with the volume of Tiller threads, everytime we clicked on a thread there was another graphic. C'est la vie. May the day come when images such as those are no longer needed.

[behzinlea]

I have never understood why anyone expends the energy or wastes the time to read Sullivan. He is suffocatingly predictable, uninteresting, and annoying. He's the Madonna of political commentators.

I have a theory some marginally talented people desperate for fame must sell their souls to the devil in exchange for a spell that deceives otherwise discerning people into lauding and applauding them for "brilliance" that simply does not exist.

I can't account for the fame of wilted garden weeds like Sullivan or Madonna in any other way.

[Guenevere]

Thank-you for your gracious response too!

As I said, I hate those pictures, but sadly, if the world should know what REALLY happens in an abortion mill, they need to see the pictures....

..and no one, but no one, will show them the pictures.

Why do you think Planned Parenthood, NARAL, etc got away for YEARS telling pregnant girls their babies were 'bits of tissue', 'product of conception',...etc,...innocuous words to relieve the girls of their money and conscience.

And why do you think the abortion industry (that makes millions hand over fist) feels threatened by sonograms(being used now by crisis pregnancy centers)- that actually show the baby within the womb.

This is where the battle is.

[HereInTheHeartland]

A good reminder of why people need to think about what they post.
The worst comments will be used to represent the group.

[callisto]

As I said, I hate those pictures, but sadly, if the world should know what REALLY happens in an abortion mill, they need to see the pictures....

Thank you for understanding my perspective. If I may, I'd like to link an undisputable video, The Silent Scream. I'm sure you have seen it, but others may not and there is no denying when life begins once you see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvshMADC7s0