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To: Jim from C-Town

You wrote: “Fair-taxers should get it into their heads that this is never going to happen. As easy as it sounds it is ridiculous to consider that the government will be ‘prebating’ a check to everybody in the country in order to allow for a VAT or point of sale tax. It is much more likely that a flatter and fairer tax with limited deductions would be easier and much more efficient too not only sell to the American people but to enact.
A good example of a fairer flatter tax would be close to what the Republicans are pushing for now, a voluntary two tier tax. 10% on all income up to $100,000 and a 25% tax on all income above $100,000. This coupled with generous personal deductions of around $12,500 per family member linked to inflating would allow a family of 4 who gross $100K pay 10% taxes on $50,000 after personal deductions.
This plus a massive overhaul; of government workforce, including the privatization, an outright elimination of large swaths of the federal government would solve many of the problems”


With the FairTax there would be no income taxes withheld from anyone’s salary, and no Socialist Security or Medicare taxes withheld from anyone’s salary. There would be no income tax returns for anyone or any company. The 23% would not be added to the retail price at the store, it would be imbedded in the price. Currently, businesses pass along their income taxes to consumers, so those taxes are imbedded in everything we buy.This tax would be collected at the state government level and passed along to the federal government. There would be no sales taxes on any used goods. People could control the amount of taxes they pay based on their spending, or consumption. The Fair Tax is simple, unlike the current federal income tax system, which is so complex that Americans spend at least $250 billion a year just to comply with it -— hiring accountants, lawyers, etc.
The prebate is calculated to compensate for those who fall below the poverty line, so they would not be burdened with the retail sales tax up to a certain level of spending. The Fair Tax takes away the ability of Congress to use the federal income tax system as a way to control our lives. It kills lobbyists and loopholes. It is transparent, so any increase in the retail tax rate would be immediately obvious to all consumers. The Fair Tax would encourage savings and investment, versus spending, thereby providing the capital needed for economic growth. Foreigners visiting the U.S. would pay the tax, and so would the millions of illegal aliens and other crooks who evade paying federal income taxes. Capital would flow to the U.S. as a result of their being no income taxes here. It would give us a worldwide competitive advantage.

Go to www.fairtax.org for more detailed information, and to sign up and support it. There are bills pending in both the House and the Senate, so write to your congressmorons and tell them to support the Fair Tax, or you won’t vote for them in the next election.


244 posted on 05/27/2009 10:36:55 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud
I have read it it is unwieldy and will never be enacted. Period. It makes more sense to put your efforts into a plan that will actually get considered.

THE FAIR TAX WILL NEVER BE ADOPTED! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS THE BEST SYSTEM OR THE WORST SYSTEM!

PUT YOUR EFFORTS INTO FAIRER AND FLATTER TAX SYSTEMS. PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THEM AND THEY WILL ACCEPT THEM EASIER.

251 posted on 05/27/2009 10:48:50 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town
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To: pleikumud
First, it’s not 30%, it’s 23%.

It is 30%. It is stated that a product would increase in price from $1 to $1.30 they say this is a 23% tax because $130 is 23% higher than $1. The math is already disingenuous because we would all agree that .30 is 30% of $1. IE: a thirty % tax.

This would be a boon to the black market. Who wouldn't try to avoid this new abusively high tax. Not to mention the shenanigans in order to get more of a pre-bate. Talk about welfare queens, i can see 30-50% prebate fraud. An entirely new bureaucracy will have to be made at the Federal level in order to compel companies, as well as individual states, to comply with this new system.

The fair tax seen]ms to be a good plan until you start to implement it.

We already have the Federal Income Tax system and IRS in place. They could be easily converted to allow a new type of filing. If the new type of filing is successful, great, if not we have little invested in it.

257 posted on 05/27/2009 11:07:48 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town
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To: pleikumud

I also want you to understand I am not saying the fair tax isn’t fairer, it may be, But it will never be implimented by anyone in government ever.


261 posted on 05/27/2009 11:11:26 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town
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