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To: ExTxMarine

My argument has nothing to do regarding the perversion of the “with the children” mantra argued by the left. This is a fundamental basic human rights position. I’m not in the business of, nor do I advocate, the systematic brainwashing of children, as the statement you are using intends to delineate. Don’t twist my position into something sinister.

I COMPLETELY agree that illegals should be sent back. The problem is that we aren’t ENFORCING the immigration laws on the books.

In fact, one of the ways to punish illegals would be to send them home and put their newly American-born children into an orphanage. This is what they’ve risked, so be it. Go back home, the child is no longer yours.

Want to see illegals tuck tail and go back? Take their children born here from them. THAT will make them run for the border before the birth.

Also, I noticed you didn’t even tackle the argument I used about Moses. He was of slave blood among the Masters. He (with the hand of God) changed the world.

IT’S NOT THE CHILD’S DECISION. If their country won’t acknowledge them, what then?

What happens to the child if the parents die, as in Elian Gonzalez, whose mother was in fact by statutory law a citizen? Clinton sent him back. You accuse me of taking a liberal slant, yet YOU are the one siding with Bill Clinton and Janet Reno!

Your position and argument are xenophobic at best. Believe what you want, I really don’t care. I’m just pointing out to you that it reeks of neglect and denial.


76 posted on 05/26/2009 2:19:03 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

“My argument has nothing to do regarding the perversion of the “with the children” mantra argued by the left.”
YOU are the one that brought up that it was for the good of the innocent children, not me! So don’t go tucking tail now and blaming me for twisting your position - don’t want it cited, don’t bring it up!

Next, as far as enforcement goes - apparently we agree! We are not enforcing our current laws; that IS the problem, the anchor babies only EXACERBATES that problem!

I did not mention the Moses argument because I don’t question the means that God works His wonders! It is not for me to decide nor approve nor “tackle”. I guess it is a good thing there was no “must be born in an Inn” law during Jesus’ birth or you would argue that Jesus should be aborted as well - I mean it is the law and he was born in a manger. Ask stupid hypothetical’s and get some in return!

Now, if you think I am siding with the Clinton’s on anything, then you are surely mistaken. Elian Gonzalez made it to American soil from an oppressive country and as the law is written, he should have been given US Citizenship as soon as his feet touched the soil! He was NOT picked up by the Coast Guard - he made it! The situation with Elian Gonzalez is just the same as I stated in my last post - you think we should invade Cuba to take care of those innocent people? Not just the kids, ALL those innocent people?

We cannot, and we SHOULD not “help” those that won’t help themselves. Coming here and taking from us, just because we are good hearted is not helping one’s self it is THEFT! I guess if someone breaks into your house and gives birth in your living room, they should be allowed to stay and you have to pay! I mean asking them to leave would be xenophobic!


77 posted on 05/26/2009 2:36:59 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: prismsinc

“I’m just pointing out to you that it reeks of neglect and denial.”

With this argument, you think we should invade every country on the face of the planet that does not create an opportunity at least as good as we have in America for their children! To do less is being negligent; do you agree?

You think having children stay here and not go back is a punishment? They come here so that we pay for their kids education, welfare, health and school lunch! Heck we already adopted them, we just don’t sever the parental rights!

I really don’t care what you think, call me heartless; but, I don’t want them or their children (in an orphanage) on the US government teat!

You know what, I say we create a settlement zone somewhere - like Egypt and Turkey and other countries have done so as to “care” for those displaced, but NOT allow them in our country. Hey, it seems to be working so well for them, how about we give that a try?


80 posted on 05/26/2009 2:58:46 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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