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To: Jonny foreigner
“why do you have such negative feelings against people you don´t know in personal?”

Notice I didn't say Europeans. I said Europe.

I have been to Europe, have had exchange students from Spain live with us, Work with Russians, French, Germans, English, Swedish, Turkish, (Australian, OK so not European but not American either) etc. Associate with many from Africa. We were know as the ‘little UN’ for a while.
-btw- I find absolutely no use for the UN. None.

Don't get me wrong the statement isn't against even one of these people. I have not met an European that I don't like. Some are odd but I appreciate each one of these people personally. I am almost certain that you and I really get along and enjoy each others company.

The problem I have with Europe is, as a ‘country’ (if I can use that term) is not an active ally of the US. They set themselves as a rival. A rival is a step one step closer to becoming an enemy.

Europe is not an individualistic ‘country’. At least in the past the US was. Europe is rotting and dying anyway, demographically speaking. So in a sense I am not saying anything that Europe isn't already practicing. I could make a long list but as a country when has Europe taken a difficult, unpopular stand in the world? Have they against Russian energy? Israel?, Iran? Hell no. They oppose the US, sometimes actively.

European history is replete with colossal failures and I mean colossal. Sure they have produced nice art and have nice scenery but on my list Freedom and the support of Freedom towers over art and mountains.

Does Europe want to be free?

Most of the Europeans I have known look at my desire to do what I want, when I want, without any government interference as somewhat radical. By doing what I want I mean, of course, lawful things.

Don't get me wrong, the US is heading in Europe's direction, and at the rate we have been going we will pass Europe in socialism. Thus my presence on this board. To warn Americans of the dangers of socialism.

If I want to see the pretty scenery of Europe I will buy a nice 2010 calendar. If I want to see nice art I will buy a Art History textbook.

Honest question: Is their a European dominated website similar to FR? If so I would love to visit it and contribute.

39 posted on 05/23/2009 7:30:36 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

i appologize because it looks like i have misunderstood you.
i wasn´t aware that you talked about “europe” mostly on political basis and not about the people who are living there.
In a political point of view you are correct “Europe” lets call it the EU (because i guess this is more fitting) is indeed a rival of the US on global stage. But it´s a US “friendly” rival and shure will not become an true enemy.
Not even likely because “we” are culturally and economically way too close tied to each other. And even if i would not consider the US and EU true allies i think there are sill too many common interessts which “both sides” share to become something like enemys.btw. States do not have friends, only people have friends. States have common interessts or not and they act this way. so does the EU sometimes actively oppose the US if it´s in their personal interest? definitely! so does the US the other way around. this is how politics is played around the globe, not nice but the world we are living. every one trys to grab as much power and influence on global stage as he can get. Let me ask you a question. you said...
“when has Europe taken a difficult, unpopular stand in the world? Have they against Russian energy? Israel?, Iran? Hell no....”

why should the EU act this way if it´s not in it´s personal interesst?
btw. i would not call the EU as one of the biggest Israel supporters.
For Russia it´s simple “we” just need their gas and make a lot of money because of trade. Iran? same simple buisness reason... For example Iran is an enemy of Israel (and from a cold geo political point of view Israel is not relevant for EU buisness interests) and maybe the US (but no “real” danger for the US)... true, but it is allso an important trade partner of the EU.
But this doesn´t make the EU and US enemys, it only shows different personal interesst on this issues.

But again this is global politics. this has little to nothing to do with personal feelings between people from europe or the US for example.

Does Europe want to be free?

Well i don´t understand your question?
What do you mean when talking about freedom?
most european (and all EU) countries are democracys so in theory every one living here is as free as at least 51% of the voters want you to be same as the US. there is nothing like total freedom. it´s true that the “personal” freedoms differ sometimes between the US and european countries but at the end who is more free when there exists nothing like total freedom?

“.....Honest question: Is their a European dominated website similar to FR? If so I would love to visit it and contribute....”

Well i´m really not aware that something like a “european” dominated version of FR exists. But i guess this is more about the fact because of the different languages in europe. So i guess most people tend to hang around on local message boards of their own language.

greetings


42 posted on 05/23/2009 9:11:08 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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