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To: Ann Archy
I missed her on the TODAY show with that LIAR! Lawrence O’Donnell! he called Dick Cheney a LIAR yesterday....hope Liz nailed him.....she always does tho!!

Sorry, it wasn't Today but Good Morning America.. here: newsbusters.org

Perhaps not as much of a KO that I implied but she still got in a lot of licks. Read the transcripts, because they talk over each other on the video.

I liked the point where Larry suggests that they should have waterboarded 500 detainees with the idea that perhaps then 75 of them wouldn't have returned to combat when released... and of course this just walks into Liz's trap where she points out how _little_ waterboarding _was_ used - only 3 times (vs. the big lie of the last 7 years that it was rampant) And then takes a shot at him for 'advocating' more waterboarding :-)

He also walked into the 'legal trap' where she then gets to explain how AG Holder actually validates the Cheney doctrine of what is torture and what isn't. If you can find that video where two Republican congressmen do a tag team on Eric H. and get him to acknowledge the legality of waterboarding not being torture, it's very funny in a way. They bring up the fact that we do waterboarding on our own guys in training and this forces Holder to say that it's the _intent_ that is operative, and they follow with 'well the intent at Gitmo was to get info not to harm' and the ballgame was over at that point and QED, waterboarding is then not 'torture'.

What I find interesting was the mental 'judo' that allowed that. 'Hate Crimes' from the libs view are all about 'intent' of the perpetrator (despite that it the act that violates the right of a citizen (not an enemy combatant, btw) - and despite that from a lib point of view, it is the 'feelings' of the victim that are more important [eg. sexual harrassment] rather than the actual harm, but I digress ;-). So they used that in order to 'extract' the definition of 'torture' and Holder was hoisted upon his own petard on that one, and more importantly here, so was O'Donnell :-)

73 posted on 05/22/2009 11:13:54 PM PDT by Kent C
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To: Kent C
If you can find that video where two Republican congressmen do a tag team on Eric H. and get him to acknowledge the legality of waterboarding not being torture... I haven't seen the video, but Andrew McCarthy wrote a good article on it, which was posted here on FR a few days ago. An excellent read and it shows Holder to be the idiot that he is. Hopefully, word will spread about it because there are a lot of people out there who don't know what the hell they're talking about regarding this subject.
74 posted on 05/22/2009 11:25:04 PM PDT by csense
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