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To: WVKayaker

A call for justice is not an attack.

And I do demand that the people involved - as many as are alive make amends. So far they are refusing to do so.
That stance is not supported in any bible I have ever read even though it seems your personal creed.

I didn’t allow the Mittbots to make opposing Romney’s liberal record be all about bashing Mormons. I am not going to allow you, or anyone else to turn a call for justice into being all about bashing Catholics, or Christians in general.

You personally are attacking anyone who demands amends be made or the guilty be brought to justice. You personally impugn their motives. You are fully deserving of having your own motives examined because you personally are quoting scripture to promote some personal fantasy you have that Gods demand for his people to exercise forgiveness translates to a requirement for waiving justice and restitution in the legal realm.

I am certainly up to pars the posts you have made, the assertions you were making about others, and the context of the scriptures you quoted verses the meanings you ascribe.

Of course you have no wife to beat. They don’t let you marry them that young.

Don’t like that? to bad it is no farther from the mark than your assertion that the circle of people I surround myself with were all atheists and agnostics.

Liberty in Christ does not mean lack of consequences in the material world. No matter how much you continue to argue that it does.

...lets see “Drowning in sorrow” “Pity parties”
okay this puts you personally in the group of strictly faith healing types who deny physical medicine. Even though Luke was a physician.

Why do I assert this? Because trauma as a child produces changes in the brain that have to do with how memories are stored. It also often produces atrophy in parts of the brain that have to do with goal setting. If you wish to deny this, MRI technology is not your friend, and you are pretty much going to have to deny its accuracy and existence, as you seem to wish to erase the last seven or eight years of advances in post traumatic stress disorder research. For a simple readers digest condensed version of this material - read chapter ten of Dr. H. Norman Wright’s Crisis & Trauma counseling. It is a guide written to help ministers and lay counselors not spout the blather you spew even in the face of the empirical evidence.

Now in post 79 you quoted 2 Cor 2 on forgiveness.

I responded in post94 with Mat 18:6 on leading the believer astray in which scripture equates this with harming a child - and prescribes eternal consequences.

To that you asserted in post 96 I had no knowledge of the people and events in question, and intimated I was making an unfair judgment. In point of fact, I have known several of the male victims for years.

In post 108 I intimated it was ironic that you were accusing me of making a judgement about others when I was an outsider to the parties involved. Since I do know some of the parties involved, and the particulars of what happened to them, and since you didn’t attempt to find out whether I did or did no know such information before asserting that I did not - my post was apt.

In post 110 your classic line “Why so much interest? Is it prurient, or just morbid curiosity? “ (you do remember writing that right?) Asserts that because I care about the issue, and am focused on justice - well I must be a pervert or just look for vulgar things to fixate on. Your false dichotomy left out the possibility that I might wish for justice and vindication for people I personally know.

In the posts since 110, you have basically continued to defend your vulgar post 110 and in fact continue to assert that it was Christian of you to make it and somehow uncharitable of me to call you on it.

Is your church by any chance Westboro Baptist in Topeka? You seem to be an ideological match.


123 posted on 05/21/2009 12:26:47 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

124 posted on 05/21/2009 12:37:24 PM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: MrEdd

A better reply:

Romans 8: 28And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him,[j] who[k] have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

31What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[l]

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[m] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


125 posted on 05/21/2009 12:42:21 PM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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