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To: GodGunsGuts

Quit trying to tell me what my religion is Gutless.

It is your most oft used tactic to insist that anyone who disagrees with you and your rediculous cosmological model is somehow not as Christian as you.

Piety is not measured on a sliding scale of how out of whack your cosmology is from reality.

Geocentric Christians are not more pious than Heliocentric Christians.

Young Earth Creationists are not more pious than Old Earth Creationists.

Creationists who believe in evolution of all species from those on Noah’s ark are not more pious than those who know evolution is not quite so powerful, but know that it had millions of years to act, not thousands.


199 posted on 05/14/2009 5:33:24 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom; TXnMA; MHGinTN; xzins
It is your most oft used tactic to insist that anyone who disagrees with you and your rediculous cosmological model is somehow not as Christian as you.

I would be very interested to know what your cosmological model is, allmendream. I can't figure it out. You say you are a Christian. And yet you seem (from your writings over a long period of time) committed to the materialist/physicalist/naturalist doctrinal position. I do not know how it is possible to reconcile the implicit worldview of that model with the Christian worldview.

Your preferred doctrine excludes the realm of the Spirit in principle. It asserts the complete "causal closure of the physical," that all that exists is exclusively material or physical. It claims that the universe had a purely naturalistic cause, thereby denying it can have had an origin in the divine creative act in the beginning. I.e., God is NOT the Creator; Nature creates herself. Again, on principle. That the principle itself is on shaky logical ground doesn't seem to trouble you. You just seem to accept it, as if holy writ.

In short, if you have a theology, it seems you may have strained it through a filter of scientistic presuppositions to which you are passionately devoted, but which seem (to me anyway) fundamentally irrational.

But of course, I could be mistaken about this, and may well be. Which is why I said I'd be interested in a better understanding of your fundamental cosmological view. That would probably clear up the matter for me.

In the biggest picture you can manage, what does your universe look like? Does it look anything like the description given in the Holy Scriptures, principally in Genesis 1–2 and the Gospel of St. John which specifically address cosmological issues?

Christians may disagree about the details; but what they all have in common is commitment to the idea that Holy Scripture is the bearer of the Word of God to man, divine truth told truly, but not exhaustively.

Where do you stand in this matter allmendream? How do you, as a Christian, reconcile such mutually exclusive tendencies in your own life and thought?

220 posted on 05/14/2009 11:09:40 AM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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Creationists who believe in evolution of all species from those on Noah’s ark are not more pious than those who know evolution is not quite so powerful, but know that it had millions of years to act, not thousands.

And those who call themselves Christians who believe in the TOE are not more pious than Christians who take God at His Word, no matter how superior to others they claim to be because of their supposed mental superiority by holding fast to a certain dogmatic view of science.

Evos who claim to be Christians have the same attitude towards others that they accuse creationists of having. The characteristics they condemn most in creationists are the ones they exhibit most themselves.

246 posted on 05/14/2009 1:09:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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