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To: Sub-Driver

I could swear I saw news report yesterday detailing what Senators actually saw water boarding and openly wondered if it were effective enough. In fact, they argued for harsher techniques.

I recall that Nancy Pelosi was one those Senators.

Here we go it was in the Washington Post in December.


58 posted on 04/23/2009 2:08:50 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

Liar, Liar pant on fire. There is no dead letter office on the Internet and the Everything is stuck in the WEB.

Here is an article from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html


91 posted on 04/23/2009 2:28:42 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome
... I recall that Nancy Pelosi was one those Senators.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Nancy is not a Senator. She might want to be, but right now she's in the House. Let's figure out a way to get her back on the streets.

101 posted on 04/23/2009 2:37:29 PM PDT by ken in texas (come fold with us - team #36120)
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Nancy, Nancy maybe you should check with Hiliar on how to put together a big story. Another Dumacrat with told tales to their simple followers. 2007 Washington Post story. Here are some key graphs: In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk. Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said. "The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange. ... Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge. With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan). ... Only after information about the practice began to leak in news accounts in 2005 -- by which time the CIA had already abandoned waterboarding -- did doubts about its legality among individual lawmakers evolve into more widespread dissent. The opposition reached a boiling point this past October, when Democratic lawmakers condemned the practice during Michael B. Mukasey's confirmation hearings for attorney general. Pelosi declined to comment directly on her reaction to the classified briefings. But a congressional source familiar with Pelosi's position on the matter said the California lawmaker did recall discussions about enhanced interrogation. The source said Pelosi recalls that techniques described by the CIA were still in the planning stage -- they had been designed and cleared with agency lawyers but not yet put in practice -- and acknowledged that Pelosi did not raise objections at the time. ... Harman, who replaced Pelosi as the committee's top Democrat in January 2003, disclosed Friday that she filed a classified letter to the CIA in February of that year as an official protest about the interrogation program. Harman said she had been prevented from publicly discussing the letter or the CIA's program because of strict rules of secrecy.

130 posted on 04/23/2009 3:42:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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