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To: djsherin

Basically it’s that the Lakotah have the strongest “case” for having the actual written and legal right to secede. The U.S. Government refuses to recognize that, in spite of it being written and legal (even though it was an agreement made by the U.S. Government). The Congress has tried to “pay them off” to withdraw their legal right, but the Lakotah have refused it (the money is still being “held” right now and is accruing interest, by the way...).

So, for someone who maintains that there is a legal and justified right for secession from the United States, the Lakotah have the most “advanced” (i.e., how far along it is) case of anyone, and they have been through the “system”, the courts, the Congress, the Supreme Court and so on, and they’re *still* trying to accomplish it.

How long do you think it would take for the states to do this, when they haven’t even been through 1/10 of the process that the Lakotah have been through legally, politically, with the Congress, with the Supreme Court, and so on...?


79 posted on 04/22/2009 8:26:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

The Lakotah should just declare their independence then. If a state really wanted to secede, it wouldn’t go to the agent it’s seceding from since that agent is TRYING to keep that state from seceding.

I think the discussion is interesting, but not relevant to whether a state has the right to secede.


81 posted on 04/22/2009 8:30:24 AM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: Star Traveler
Basically it’s that the Lakotah have the strongest “case” for having the actual written and legal right to secede.

I disagree. My feelings toward our violations of treaties range from disappointment to disgust, but they are not relevant to the current discussion. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land, higher than a treaty. The Tenth Amendment to that Constitution gives each state the right to secede. Texas and the other states thus have the right to secede under the supreme law of the land. Nice try though.

I don't claim that secession is the correct choice for one or more of the states to make, but it is absolutely a choice that is open to each of the states. Natural law gives the people of those states that right, as does the Constitution.

118 posted on 04/22/2009 9:02:00 AM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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