Posted on 04/22/2009 7:12:17 AM PDT by AmericanHunter
The Lakotah should just declare their independence then. If a state really wanted to secede, it wouldn’t go to the agent it’s seceding from since that agent is TRYING to keep that state from seceding.
I think the discussion is interesting, but not relevant to whether a state has the right to secede.
Thats what I thought....run away boy
So, PLD, since you mentioned Texas (and it was a sovereign nation at one time, too...) — do you support the secession from the United States of the Lakotah, as they have been trying to accomplish for a while now?
The Lakotah have that right to do so, written in their treaty, but the U.S. is refusing to honor that treaty (which is the same thing I suspect will happen to Texas, too).
So, I would say that the Lakotah would be a “textbook example” of what will happen with Texas, if they try it. Look at the Lakotah and you’ll have your example of what will happen with Texas.
Well, I see you don’t support the issue of secession then... LOL...
TWBTS no more settled the NATURAL RIGHT of secession than the blitzkrieg of Poland settled, for all time, FREEDOM for Poland.
free dixie,sw
The Lakota tribe cannot secede from the United States because they were never a State. It is a recognized sovereign Nation with a treaty. Like any other contract, treaties can be terminated.
Well, it doesn’t just come down to right to secede but also to whether the U.S. Government will allow it. And you can see from one example that they will not allow it.
They have many “mechanisms” in place to disallow that — and that’s why it’s a “textbook example” of what will happen if states try to secede. The same thing will happen.
Use them as that example. And *also* use them for the “precedent” in seceding in helping them *actually accomplish* the secession from the U.S. Then you set up the groundwork for any other state to do so....
Good luck getting Chief Tapdancer to give you a straight answer.
Your post is spot on and the position I’ve been taking regarding all the arguments against secession. Thanks.
They have a higher order of right to secede than any state does, because they were a sovereign nation before joining the U.S. They actually existed as a nation even before the U.S. itself existed on this land. They actually precede the U.S. on this land.
So, I would say that they have a higher order of right to secede than any state does...
So, does that mean you support the Lakotah in their bid to secede from the United States, per post #28?
The right of people to choose their own gov't is always there. Gov'ts might violate that right, but the right exists, as rights come from God, not the Gov't.
The power of the government is STILL a product of the consent of the governed - whether they want to admit it or not!
YEP, i support the Sioux, inasmuch as they are a NATION of FREE citizens, doing whatever they WANT to do.
any other questions???
free dixie,sw
Then are you in support of the Lakotah seceding from the United States, as their treaty allows them to do and as they have been trying to do for a while? [see post #28...]
Some think the president and Congress are unAmerican.
Why is this a surprise?
Are Americans citizens that stupid?
Of course this 15% feel that way; they are the parasites of society, pay no income taxes, and enjoy welfare in every form imagineable. Indeed, why would they feel otherwise? They may be useless, but they're not stupid.
Judging by the percentage of waste in all welfare programs they're smarter than the other stupid citizen: the working American who is being financially raped and is too polite to demand meaningful reform.
They didn't join the US, the US joined them....which is exactly my point.
Unless there is a State of Lakota, there can be no succession.
Only something that was part of a whole can leave it. The Lakotas never CEASED being a Nation, so they never became legally attached to the Constitution. They are ONLY bound to the federal government by the terms of their treaty.
I applaud your enthusiasm, but until you understand a few Constitutional facts, you're just dancing around a legal point that doesn't even exist.
Glad to see that you support the right of secession from the United States, per their treaty.
Now, how can we and other FReepers support them in their secession from the United States? What can we do to facilitate the *actual secession* of that country from the United States?
I would like to know what FReepers can do to help the Lakotah accomplish their goal....
LOL!
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