Some Think Secession Is Un-American

The Bulletin ^ | 4-22-09 | Joe Murray

[DustyMoment]

None of these are in the Constitution, any of these example covered by the 10th Amendment?

Methinks you've drifted from the sublime to the absurd.

G'night!

[DangerZone]

Yes, which is why I brought up in my discussions in this thread of Obama's possible means of retaliation against seceding states.

If he is intent on going to such depths to subjugate Americans, it is even more important that we stand as one and not split our countrymen apart.

If we do not hang together, we will most assuredly hang separately. -Ben Franklin

[DangerZone]

Well, if those state politicians are so corrupt, how do you expect to get enough of them to vote for secession?

On the other hand, if you can elect enough statesman (as opposed to politicians), then why leave the Union anyway? Why not just stand up to Obama?

[stand watie]

i, too, have lived all over the country. (i spent over 20 years posted to various areas of the US, while in the army.)

to SOME degree you are correct. otoh, there is a GULF between dixie & the north that can NEVER be made whole.

note the number of "RED states" & where they are versus the "BLUE states" & where they are. IF your state voted for bho & your congressional delegation is filled with DIMocRATS, don't tell me that your state has much in common with mine.

free dixie,sw

[DangerZone]

I do not see the gulf you are speaking of between rural Northerners and Southerners, at least not in political ideology. Sure our customs are different, but that is a small consideration in the big picture and faced with an opposition in the Obamatons who will not care whether someone is from the North, South, or West, just that we are conservatives and will resist them.

Regarding Red State vs. Blue State, if we go by the last election then parts of the Old South are already lost: Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. In your haste to condemn all the blue state citizens for whom the majority of the voters chose, you are cutting off a huge chunk of those who would support conservative values and condemning them to a life of hell under Obama and his minions.

Will you do the same if your own state eventually goes blue? Or will you leave your home and family and friends and flee to a red state or even another country if things come to worse?

My point is that all real Americans are in this together whether we yet realize it or not. The left will make no distinction between us based on regional affiliation so neither should we. We (conservatives) are all in this together, and we will share the same fate be it descent into socialism or a rebirth of the Republic.

BTW, I am originally from New York state (small town), but now live in Oklahoma so I suppose my state does have quite a bit in common with yours.

[stand watie]

fyi, TX will NEVER "go BLUE". not now, not tomorrow, not ever.

come the DAY of SECESSION, we southerners (i believe) will be overwhelmed with northerners headed south, just as what happened when North & South Korea were partitioned.(hopefully, a LOT of "fair weather southerners" & "transplants" will also head NORTH about the same time.)

i do NOT condemn the CONSERVATIVES from "up there" for ANYTHING except staying!!! (Eva/Ari are you ladies listening???)

free dixie,sw

[DangerZone]

As of now, even in Texas, only a quarter of the population support secession.If immigration trends continue as they are, particularly illegal immigration followed by amnesty, it will indeed go blue.

What about conservatives down here in the South that live in now blue states? Do you condemn them for staying also?

[DangerZone]

At first I was going to let this post go without comment, but I just can’t. You sit there and imply I would be in danger for saying such a thing, but Texans themselves have allowed their state to be overrun with illegal aliens. Where is their courage and strength in dealing with an outright invasion from the third world? Ya’ll haven’t even passed laws to crackdown on illegals and their employers like we have done in Oklahoma, and yet you think that Texans are going to support secession?

[stand watie]

you're dreaming. TEXAS will ALWAYS remain TEXAS & (should the WORST happen) TEXANS will fight for LIBERTY.

free dixie,sw

[central_va]

Just because those troops are from red state America does not mean they will disobey orders to suppress secession. Do you have anything other than that to back up your statement? Something more than a guess?

Suggestion. Study the civil war especially the mobilization part. For instance, the pro Southern soldiers and officers resigned their commisions/enlistments and were allowed to peacefully repatriate to their states. They then joined the CSA/CSN. This happened thousands of times.

[djsherin]

***Please cite the section of the Constitution that details the process of Secession.***

There isn’t one. The right exists and is protected by the 10th Amendment.

[djsherin]

And what is that can of worms?

[djsherin]

Secession is a legal means.

[djsherin]

Nullification before secession is a wonderful principle.

[djsherin]

States have all powers not denied to the them by the Constitution. The federal government has only powers granted to it by the Constitution. Secession is not denied to the states... see the 10th Amendment.

[djsherin]

I was agreeing with you btw

[Non-Sequitur]

Secession is not denied to the states...

No, but the power to admit states and approve changes in their status once they've been allowed to join are powers reserved to Congress. Implied in that it the power to approve leaving as well.

[Non-Sequitur]

Nullification before secession is a wonderful principle

Nullification is not constitutional.

[djsherin]

***Can half of a state decide to secede from a state?***

Irrelevant to the conversation, but if the state wants to split itself in half, why not? It has to be the state’s decision though. Besides, you’re comparing apples to oranges. One arbitrary part of a state wanting to secede from another is different than a sovereign state seceding from a union it created. The state preceded the union. The arbitrary part of the hypothetical state wanting to secede did not precede the state.

***an a state decide to secede and decide that they would like to be annexed by another nation***

Yes.

***can South Florida decide that they would like to seced from Florida and the US and decide to become a part of Cuba.***

You essentially asked this same thing when you asked if half a state could secede from the other half.

***Can a foreeable Latin majority in Mexico decide to hold a vote and decide that Texas is now a state of Mexico?***

No. That’s for the state of Texas to decide.

***Can Saudi Arabia annex Detroit’s large muslim population if they hold a vote and agree to it?***

No. Again that’s for the state to decide.

[djsherin]

This thread isn’t dead yet :)