Some Think Secession Is Un-American

The Bulletin ^ | 4-22-09 | Joe Murray

[DangerZone]

Obama can be voted out in less the four years, or he can be impeached now.

Where is it granted in the Bill of Rights?

There is no guarantee that most of the military will side with secessionists. Opposing Obama is one thing. Supporting the breakup of the country is another. Also, it is not only conservatives and Republicans who own guns. Liberals, being hypocrites, have no qualms about preaching gun control for us while owing plenty of their own. Then, there is the fact Obama will have no reservations about using private contractors, law enforcement, internal security forces (aka gangbangers), illegals, and foreign troops and organized crime (MS13) comes to mind. The reality isn't nearly as rosy as picture you paint it out to be.

[MrB]

That’s why I asked him what he meant by “America”.

“America” is a concept of individual freedom based on the moral precepts of the Christian religion, it is NOT the government in DC, and it is NOT a geographic region (as that has changed dramatically since the founding).

[AvOrdVet]

MamaTexan is back!

...AOV starts taunting the anti-secessionist from behind MamaTexan’s back ;-)

[gwilhelm56]

If TEXAS wants to LEAVE ... Don’t let the Door him them on the way out... As soon as they do... I will be applying to the new President of Texas for ASYLUM

[papertyger]

Your problem is you think you're being “noble” by keeping your marriage together when your wife threatens to leave you unless you let her screw the football team.

No amount of calling “coward” or “weakling” is going to make you anything but a cuckold

[djsherin]

***Where is it granted in the Bill of Rights?***

10th Amendment. Secession isn’t denied to the states, therefore it is reserved to them.

Perhaps it wouldn’t be as rosy a picture as I paint, but regardless, it doesn’t change the fact that secession is the right of a state.

As for who owns the guns, the vast majority of conservatives I know at least look favorably upon guns. The vast majority of liberals look at them like there is something inherently evil about them. Just my observation.

[Neoliberalnot]

What legal means would that be? We have a legal right, no an obligation, to throw off corrupt and tyrannical government. I shudder to think what national security secrets Hussein is revealing to our enemies.

[DangerZone]

The military complied with orders to confiscate firearms in LA in the aftermath of Katrina, and iirc, there were military personal taking part in the siege at Waco.

[MamaTexan]

AOV starts taunting the anti-secessionist from behind MamaTexan’s back ;-)

Get out from there, you little stinker!

[ROFL] Howdy, Vet!

[DangerZone]

My lunch break is almost over, so I will have to wait til tonight to address the rest of your comments.

Regards

[DuncanWaring]

No, they joined together to be come the united States.

Look closely at an image of an original handwritten copy of the Declaration of Independence.

[djsherin]

And a lot of military personnel look back at that now and see it as a huge mistake. I know I sure as hell wouldn’t order my men to seize weapons. Besides, several states have since passed laws forbidding officers of the law from seizing weapons in times like these (as if the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments didn’t already prohibit this).

[Neoliberalnot]

The states will eventually have to say that “Law XYZ is null and void because it is not within the Constitutionally delegated powers of the federal government. We will not enforce that law within the boundaries of our state.”””

Keep in mind that corrupt judges routinely throw laws out after they mangle and manipulate the Constitution to pass a ruling that fits their personal agenda. Millions of popular voters have had their efforts cast aside like trash, because a corrupt judge decides it is not “Constitutional.”

[djsherin]

Now I’m REALLY enjoying this thread! :)

Be back in an hour or 2...

[gwilhelm56]

**confiscate firearms in LA in the aftermath of Katrina,**

that was LA GUARD, and Police ... Both of which run by DEMOCRATS, if I’m not Mistaken.

**military personal taking part in the siege at Waco.**

Clinton and Reno .. DEMS AGAIN

[AvOrdVet]

Millions of popular voters have had their efforts cast aside like trash, because a corrupt judge decides it is not “Constitutional.”

Of which California is the poster child, citizens pass a law.. the state challenges it and throws it out... the citizens vote the law in again and the government says it is unconstitutional for the citizens to vote on it... what the...

[papertyger]

***Perhaps it wouldn’t be as rosy a picture as I paint, *** I don't see you painting any rosey pictures, but i do see someone spitting up cliches like an infant at feeding time...

[AvOrdVet]

**confiscate firearms in LA in the aftermath of Katrina,** that was LA GUARD, and Police ... Both of which run by DEMOCRATS, if I’m not Mistaken. **military personal taking part in the siege at Waco.** Clinton and Reno .. DEMS AGAIN

You forgot one... Ruby Ridge... Dems

[MrB]

If a “Waco” were to happen today, it wouldn’t just be the shots coming from inside the “compound” that they’d have to worry about.

[MamaTexan]

“America” is a concept of individual freedom based on the moral precepts of the Christian religion, it is NOT the government in DC, and it is NOT a geographic region (as that has changed dramatically since the founding).

Exactly. Without governments acknowledgment of a higher Law, it becomes the sole decider OF the law, and that's not what the American birthright is all about.

"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."
--Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.