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420 Smoke Out at CU Boulder -- education today
Looking at the Left.com ^ | 4/21/09 | El Marco

Posted on 04/21/2009 8:33:00 PM PDT by el marco

Have you paid the University of Colorado $19,000 a year for in-state or illegal alien, or $38,000 a year for out of state tuition, to give your kids the opportunity to improve themselves for a successful future? This photo essay explores some of the extracurricular activities on campus.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: college; dope; drugs; marijuana; wod
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To: SoldierDad

Don’t know about the kids back then but you may want to check this out:

“Burke asserted that Washington & Jefferson were said to exchange smoking blends as personal gifts. Washington reportedly preferred a pipe full of “the leaves of hemp” to alcohol, & wrote in his diaries that he enjoyed the fragrance of hemp flowers. Madison once remarked that hemp gave him insight to create a new & democratic nation. Monroe, creator of the Monroe Doctrine, began smoking it as Ambassador to France & continued to the age of 73. Burke. “Pot & Presidents.” in Green Egg. CA. June 21, 1975”


21 posted on 04/21/2009 9:56:33 PM PDT by USAF70 (America is not 'governed' by the President or Congress. America is governed by the U.S.Constitution.)
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To: SoldierDad

I take it you mean stop being stupid?

I forgot that alcohol is no longer a problem with young adults. Hmmm, let’s go ahead and make alcohol illegal. Oh wait, we tried that once. What happened? Al Capone, machine guns in the streets, no impact on usage.

Damn! That sounds like what we have now.

Toss out an argument that is a bit more complex. Really....

...and does not include calling me stupid. Try and stand on logic, not on ad hominum attacks (that means against the man, btw)


22 posted on 04/21/2009 9:56:56 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: el marco

Their parents should be so proud


23 posted on 04/21/2009 9:57:30 PM PDT by bzybee
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To: Ken H

The FedGov has the power to oversee the manufacture and distribution of any and all potentially toxic substances, including drugs - legal and illegal. My point about the other “crimes” was about debunking the notion that simple because there are people out there engaging in certain behaviors (criminal or otherwise) which are harmful does not mean that society should or wants to stop enforcing prohibitions against those crimes/behaviors. Is this really that difficult to figure out?


24 posted on 04/21/2009 9:58:10 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: wireplay

Oh, yes. Let’s now use the, “Well he did it too!” argument in support of legalizing drugs. That works really well for 5 year olds. No, I didn’t refer to my comment about stop being stupid. Look just one sentence earlier.


25 posted on 04/21/2009 10:00:09 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: SoldierDad
The FedGov has the power to oversee the manufacture and distribution of any and all potentially toxic substances, including drugs - legal and illegal

So, since water is toxic in the right quantities, government needs to regulate it?

26 posted on 04/21/2009 10:00:32 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: USAF70

Someone wrote this BS in a book and someone else has taken it as Gospel - I’m amazed.


27 posted on 04/21/2009 10:01:58 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: SoldierDad

Most 5 year olds aren’t tossing down tequila shots. Likewise, they aren’t smoking weed.

Oh dear!?!?! The kids might get HOOKED to MJ!!!

Notice my pattern. Making fun of the argument.

We would probably agree on a lot of things SD but the government has no right to interfere with individual liberties. The Bill of Rights is a limitation on government, not an enumeration of citizen rights.

Where did the American public miss out on what the Constitution entails?


29 posted on 04/21/2009 10:06:20 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: el marco

Pot 101?


30 posted on 04/21/2009 10:06:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: SoldierDad

Well, I actually don’t use drugs. I use Constitutional law as a basis of argument.


31 posted on 04/21/2009 10:07:33 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: wireplay; SoldierDad

Everybody must get stoned!


32 posted on 04/21/2009 10:07:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: SoldierDad

It appears you have crossed into libel.


33 posted on 04/21/2009 10:09:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: wireplay

We won’t agree that the Feds have not only the right, but the duty to regulate toxic substances (water is not inherently toxic - but local, state, and fed regulation of water quality to assure public health is also a responsibility of the government). Your arguments have been specious at best. The Fed regulates alcohol, tobacco, as well as all legal and illegal drugs. They also regulate processing of foods. Public safety is an area the Feds have regulatory power. Simply because you don’t like this fact does not make it wrong for the Feds to hold regulatory power over them.


34 posted on 04/21/2009 10:11:54 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: SoldierDad

Let me actually ‘school you’ on something important.

The Founders did not want a BOR. They felt that there was no need since the Constitution enumerated all rights that the federal government had and there was no need to list the rights held by citizens because they were understood.

Well, a fight ensued and many of the founders felt that w/o a direct enumeration the feds would seize rights they did not have . So, they created a BOR and stated rights. Look at Amendment 9 & 10 which have direct applicability here.


35 posted on 04/21/2009 10:12:22 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, I made an observation based upon information supplied.


36 posted on 04/21/2009 10:13:01 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: SoldierDad

Information supplied = wants gov’t to go easy on drug policy.
Your libelous observation = he’s a druggie.


37 posted on 04/21/2009 10:15:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: SoldierDad
We won’t agree that the Feds have not only the right, but the duty to regulate toxic substances (water is not inherently toxic - but local, state, and fed regulation of water quality to assure public health is also a responsibility of the government).

Yes, water is inherently toxic. Too much and you dilute the electrolytes but let's not get into science since this is a fun political thread while I watch AMC.

If I recall correctly (and I read it a lot), the word duty does not occur in the Constitution. What basis did you have that this is ok?

38 posted on 04/21/2009 10:17:13 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: SoldierDad
The FedGov has the power to oversee the manufacture and distribution of any and all potentially toxic substances, including drugs - legal and illegal.

They have power to control education, finance, health care, and a host of other issues as well, thanks to the Wickard Commerce Clause from the FDR era. Do you think that is in keeping with the clause's original meaning?


39 posted on 04/21/2009 10:22:55 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: wireplay
First, I'm a student of history (favorite subject) especially U.S. history. I'm fully aware of what took place during the founding of this country and the development of the Constitution. Second, you contradicted your own self with your comment

The Founders did not want a BOR. - . . . many of the founders felt that w/o a direct enumeration the feds would seize rights they did not have . So, they created a BOR You can't have it both ways - they didn't want a BOR - they forced the writing of a BOR. The truth is that there were some who felt the Constitution was fine just as written, while many others disagreed. A very long debate ensued, and the BOR were encorporated as a result.

So there's no misunderstanding here - I'm against legalization of illegal drugs, period. That is my opinion, and I've yet to see or hear of an argument sufficient to change that opinion. I've seen too often the direct and indirect results of the use of illegal drugs on victims of drug use (children). So, the argument that people using drugs hurts no one is BS. Try telling that to a child that was born addicted to meth or crack. Try telling that to a child who suffers acute frustration and anxiety because they cannot learn what their peers seem to be able to learn in school as a result of their being exposed to drugs either inutero or post-natal. You really think that legalization of drug use will eliminate these effects?? If you do, then you really need to put down your crack pipe.

40 posted on 04/21/2009 10:24:11 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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