[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

Everybody had enough yet?
No?
Niemoller’s Long Fuse burns on.

[tatsinfla]

i figure it won’t be long before we having crossing guards going from state to state so they can better control the masses.....

[Lucky9teen]

I.D.....we don't need no stinkin' I.D.

[Stat-boy]

The description in this article of the purpose and effect of the amendment to the Failure to ID law in the bill proposed by Senator Patrick is a lie.

Currently, a person must identify himself if he is arrested. The new law would add that a person must identify himself [i.e., give name and date of birth] if he is stopped for reasonable suspicion of criminal activity [referred to as a “Terry Stop.”] A person does not have to carry ID.

The left wing is opposed to this because they do not want to give officers added ability to do criminal checks and find illegal aliens.

[Osage Orange]

Hinojosa said the officer would have to have a 'good reason' to demand identification.

What if the LEO thinks the person is an illegal alien, Juan?

Would THAT be okay with you?

[Kakaze]

Oh fantastic another reason for a 20 year old hall monitor in a swat vest to pull you over in the middle of no where and impress his girlfriend as he acts like an ass.

[metmom]

ping

[a fool in paradise]

And yet there is rampant identity theft among our illegal immigrant population.

How about we put some focus on who should have ID?

[CodeToad]

Gestapo tactics by the left once again. For people who scream “Fascist!” all the time they sure do love heavy handed governments.

Let’s not forget that Nazi is “National Socialism” and Democrats and liberals are just that, and here they are presenting Gestapo tactics (”Your papers, please!”) to be used against us. This is nothing short of another declaration of war against this country and our freedoms and liberties by yet again the Democrats and liberals.

Arm up...they are!

[WOSG]

This column is garbage. The bill requires you to identify yourself when asked by a police officer, as in "What is your name?" should be answered with more than a shrug or "I'm mickey mouse." It does not require that you show ID.

Statboy confirms:

"The description in this article of the purpose and effect of the amendment to the Failure to ID law in the bill proposed by Senator Patrick is a lie. Currently, a person must identify himself if he is arrested. The new law would add that a person must identify himself [i.e., give name and date of birth] if he is stopped for reasonable suspicion of criminal activity [referred to as a “Terry Stop.”] A person does not have to carry ID. The left wing is opposed to this because they do not want to give officers added ability to do criminal checks and find illegal aliens."

Premise bad = faulty conclusion. Dan Patrick is still a great guy.

Can we PLEASE check facts first and only THEN hyperventilate?!?!?

I guess if a person is stopped for prowling in your backyard, you dont want to know if its a drunk nieghbor who lost his way or a potential burglar?

[Dead Corpse]

"Papers please."

"F*ck you. Get a warrant..."

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This bill is about as "unreasonable" as it gets IMO.

[dfwgator]

Down the slippery slope we go....

[SunkenCiv]

Supporters of the bill, like State Sen. Juan Hinojosa (D-McAllen) says there are safeguards... The bill is sponsored by State Sen. Dan Patrick (R-Houston), who is a strong supporter of individual rights. "It is illegal for them to falsely identify themselves, but it is not illegal for them not to tell you who they are," Patrick said. "In this era of national security issues, if we have a police officer detaining someone at a high profile target, it is in the best interests of the safety of that officer and this community to be able to quickly determine who that person is."

[Bull Market]

“Hinojosa said the officer would have to have a ‘good reason’ to demand identification.”

I don’t trust a single LEO to use that properly.

[Professional Engineer]

ping

[thackney]

The bill is sponsored by State Sen. Dan Patrick (R-Houston), who is a strong supporter of individual rights.

How is it that Dan Patrick is claimed to sponsor this bill, but at the Texas Senate Website, he has sponsored or Co-sponsored NO bills?

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/reports/report.aspx?LegSess=81R&ID=cosponsor&Code=A1430

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/reports/report.aspx?LegSess=81R&ID=sponsor&Code=A1430

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Members/MemberInfo.aspx?Leg=81&Chamber=S&Code=A1430

[bamahead]

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[bill1952]

Doesn't bother me a bit. - I do not allow anyone in my family to leave home without some ID, and that includes my minor children.

I would also like to see a birth cert for Hussein

[varon]

It also doesn't specify what passes for 'i.d' and wither it would have to be a photo i.d.

I can just see someone presenting a hand scribbled note saying:

"This is my son. I have identified him.

Signed,
His mother"

[<1/1,000,000th%]

The fight over illegals continues to threaten our freedom.