Posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
I thought you might mean that, but I am so annoyed at the North Eastern liberals that I am a little resistant to them riding on any old laurels from a distant past.
Let's try a reasonable one instead.
Let’s say you are an honest, hard working individual and you belong to a club called the USA ("Club Fed"), and is presided over by the federal government. You join the club based on an original contractual agreement in groups of citizens, "club chapters" called "states" which have their own strong regional characters and belief systems.
To begin with, you do not join anything. You are allowed in, and only after a majority of the current members say it's OK. You can ask and beg and plead all you want, but you do not get through the door without their permission.
The club keeps raising its "dues", keeps changing the rules, keeps violating the original charter, and keeps taking your hard earned money and giving the money it extorts from you to others who don't deserve it, never worked for it and never will work for the money that they take from you - and they give to the undeserving.
OK, so it changes the rules and raises the dues. Do you or do you not have a say in the matter? Are the increase in dues or the rules not applied to everyone? Can you not vote on raising the dues or the rule changes? Or is there something in the charter that you can point to that guarantees that the club that you asked to join in the first place must do exactly what you want it to do? You have a voice in the matter. If you don't like how things are going, get enough other members together and change the rules.
At what point does any Club Chapter have the right to leave the club because the original intent and founding rules, agreements, and ideology of the club are no longer recognizable or enforced?
At any time they damned well please, so long as leaving follows the rules of the club that they agreed to abide by. Currently, the likely requirement is that leaving requires the agreement of at least a majority of the club members. The same way you were allowed to join in the first place. What is so hard to understand about that?
Are you talking about when Chief Bowles was killed?
Sorry, but you need to explain that claim.
If the constitution is silent, then it defaults to the states’ powers, if I understand the constitution correctly at the 10th Amendment.
Obviously, that was not the position of Lincoln during the Civil War.
Is the Pope Catholic?
The liberals are having a field day with this. They’ll use it to condone conservatives as traitors bent on destroying America.
This is a nation of laws. That type of thinking leads to anarchy.
Law Enforcement, Obama’s future security forces (aka gangbangers), the United States Military, Blackwater, UN troops, etc.
In the end ...isn’nt that exactly WHY the concept of “united state” was created? Such that its members had final recourse in the event of impending tyranny?
If several states declared they were over it and they were going to secede, there would be little DC could do except start kissing some major butt.
“The Constitution trumps the union.
I would rather live free in a stand-alone state that follows the Constitution, than in a union of 50 under a socialist/oppressive federal government that does not.”
Well said! My sentiments exactly!
Then conservatives need to retake the party. What good has sitting on the side lines done?
Precisely.
We might.
Depends upon circumstance.
We done it before. Against armed opposition.
Weren't nothing but an afternoon's labor.
you too...I actually hope you are right and I’m wrong
seriously
We might end up as neighbors, in Texas or Alaska!
Conservatives need to retake the country! Party politics is all about the party and it's power, not about the people.
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