[sam_paine]

Instead of arguing about jobs, how about arguing the value of the weapon system to our military?

The reality.....

These fighters are only effective for early stealth strikes against heavily defended installations.

Obama is never going to order such a strike.

The F-22 has no value to our military in that case.

[Sigurdrifta]

My son flies an F-15E. They often have gone up against F-22’s in mock dogfights. If they are lucky, they only need three or four of them to find and attempt to attack one F-22 before they are “shot down”.

According to him. the Chinese also have an air-to-air missile that if it is fired at them, their only hope for survival will be the eject lever. It is the bomber and the fighter-bombers that accomplish the lion’s share of the “early” missions, led by the stealth planes that can survive while shooting down enemy fighters that otherwise would destroy our fighter-bombers.

Let’s not get too focused on Obambi here. If the Iranians for example decide to do something “stupid” Obambi will be controlled by events whether he likes it or not.

[TalonDJ]

The reality.....

These fighters are only effective for early stealth strikes against heavily defended installations.

Do your homework. The F-22 has been, since the first moment it was a spark in some generals cortex, intended to do just one thing. That was NOT strike. That was to blow away every darn thing that attempted to challenge it in the air. It is called an Air Dominance Fighter for a reason. Whether the Zero will order it or not they will protect the country from attack. And anyone that things we will be immune to conventional attack after he ditches our nukes is fatally shortsighted.

[2CAVTrooper]

“The F-22 has no value to our military in that case.”

They have more value than the current 30+ year old legacy fighters that are either falling out of the sky or spending more and more time as hangar queens.