Knights Templar hid the Shroud of Turin, says Vatican

Times Online ^ | 04/05/2009 | Richard Owen

[NYer]

Funny, he doesn't look Jewish.

What did a Jew look like 2000 years ago? The Shroud image shows a man who has been severely beaten and crowned with thorns. Here is a medical description of the Roman crucifixions.

Preparations for the scourging are carried out. The prisoner is stripped of His clothing and His hands tied to a post above His head. It is doubtful whether the Romans made any attempt to follow the Jewish law in this matter of scourging. The Jews had an ancient law prohibiting more than forty lashes. The Pharisees, always making sure that the law was strictly kept, insisted that only thirty-nine lashes be given. (In case of a miscount, they were sure of remaining within the law.)

The Roman legionnaire steps forward with the flagrum (or flagellum) in his hand. This is a short whip consisting of several heavy, leather thongs with two small balls of lead attached near the ends of each. The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again across Jesus' shoulders, back, and legs. At first the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continue, they cut deeper into the subcutaneous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles. The small balls of lead first produce large, deep bruises which are broken open by subsequent blows. Finally the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue. When it is determined by the centurion in charge that the prisoner is near death, the beating is finally stopped.
The Passion of Christ from a Medical Point of View

Naturally, the crucified man's face was swollen from flagellation and torture.

[LucyT]

Unless we know what time zone you are in, how does that help us?

If you click on his/her screen name, you will note the person presumably lives in Kansas, which is located in the Central Time Zone.

This might be of help, too:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

[Melian]

And don’t forget He’d been beaten around the head and face by the guards. His nose may have been broken and there was probably lots of swelling.

[spyone]

It’s now a mosque.

[NYer]

There are groups of self proclaimed “Templar survivors” who, apparently, do not think the apology went far enough.

Who are they and are you one of them?

[taildragger]

2nd time in a number of years the Vatican has corrected some of the historical details of the Templar. The question is why, and why now? Are they laying the ground work for their return given their “challenges” in Europe?

[WVNan]

I can give you a brief summary of the Shroud's journey, and even that will be long. The Shroud is identified with the cloth of Edessa up to 1204 (there are long explanations to support this).

30 A.D. the likeliest year of the crucifixion during Pontius Pilate's governorship of Judaea. Probably Friday, April 7. Joseph of Arimathea, a secret follower of Jesus asked for the body, bought a clean sindon, wraps the body and lays it in his own stone-hewn tomb (limestone from the tomb has been found on the cloth). April 9, Peter & John find the body gone, but the burial wrappings loeft behind. John describes what he calls a "sudarion" rolled up and in a place by itself. Thismay have been the Shroud.

According to later tradition, possibly in the same year, a disciple of Jesus called Thaddaeus travels to Edessa (today Urfa, in Eastern Turkey)(Recorded by Clement of Alexandria), at the invitation of the city ruler, Abgar V, with whom Jesus had been in correspondence. All accounts describe Thaddaeus healing Abgar of a disease and converting a proportion of Edessan citizens to Christianity. According to some tradtions, however, he also brings with him a cloth miraculously imprinted with Jesus' likeness. This is called the cloth of Edessa.

50 A.D. Death of Abgar; succeeded by his brothere Ma'nu V bar Abgar. Ma'mu dies; succeeded by his brother Ma'mu VI. This son of Abgar who reverted to paganism and persecuted early Christians. These would appear to have hidden the Christ-imprinted cloth inside a niche above one of the city's gates as a desperate measure to ensure its safety. Then there is a period of obvious ignorance as to where the cloth was.

There are several changes of rulers of course, with hints concerning the cloth of Edessa. The city experienced floods requiring repair of structures in 201 and again in 303. Edessa comes under Roman rule & Diocletian orders the destruction of Christian Scriptures and churches. In 313 Constantine became Emperor. We all know that he Christianized the Roman world. Edessa was the site for many Christian pilgrimages (why?). Pre 500A.D. Georgian manuscript says Joseph of Arimathea colected the blood of Jesus in the linen cloth that wrapped his body. "But I (Joseph) climbed Holy Golgotha, where the Lord's cross stood, and collected in a headband and a large sheet the precious blood that had flowed from his holy side."

A.D. 502 Edessa's walls are repaired and the city gates stopped up with stone. This is a possible date of the Shroud's discovery as the cloth of Edessa. A.D. 503. Persian attack on Edessa. Defenders repulsed them claiming, "Christ stands before our city."

A.D. 525. Another great flood at Edessa. Emperor Justinian orders reconstruction of city and walls. This is probably when the hiddden Edessa Cloth was found. A.D. 544. Another unsuccessful seige by the Persians. According to Evagrius,writing a generation later reported that when all seemed lost, the bishop had discovered the hiding place of cloth with "the divinely wrought likeness which human hands have not made".

In 569, one of the earliest reports of the Edessa cloth as an extant historical object. "its Christ likeness is not by the hand of an artist"(Evagrius)

Before 600 a version of the story of how Edessa was evangelized describes Jesus wiping his face on a tetradiplon, a cloth 'doubled in four', and leaving his image on this, which again suggests the Edessa cloth was of substantial length leading to it's folding.

A.D.692, Judtinian II issues gold coins bearing portrait of christ enthroned, the first ever proper likeness of Jesus to appear on any coin. Thought to be based on the Edessa cloth, the likeness exhibits strking similarities to the vace on the Turin Shroud.

Other mentions in history during 700s. A.D. 943 Spring. The elderly Byzantine Emperor Romanus, sends an army to Edessa to negotiate with the Moslems for possession of the Edessa cloth imprinted with Jesus' likeness.Romanus' general makes the promise that providing the cloth is safely handed over he will not harm Edessa. After protracted negotiations the Moslems agree and a bishop enters Edessa to receive the cloth on the emperor's behalf. The bishop is eventually satisfied that he has the original and travels with it across Anatollia back to Constantinople. In (44, the cloth arrives in Constantinople, resting at the Church of St Mary at Blachernae where it is viewed by the imperial family. Then taken by galley to the Imperial Palace and placed overnight in the chapel of the Pharos. Aug. 16th, the cloth is carried aroiund the walls of Constantinople in its casket, then taken to Hagia Sophia and placed on the 'throne of mercy'. In the sermon given that day there are words that indicate that the image was full body, not just a face. There are numerous mentions of religious use of the cloth, and it is well established that it was in Constantinople up to 1203, when the Crusaders breached the walls and sent the Byzantine Emperor fleeing. They installed their own ruller and while they wait for payment for their services they become "tourists", Robert de Clari, A Crusader from Picardy, describes seeing in the Church of St Mary, the "sydoines" in which our Lord had been wrapped" adding tht one could see the figure of our Lord on it. Angry at not being paid, the Crusaders loot the city, but they safeguard all relics found in the Imperial Chapel. So who took the Shroud?

If the cloth of Edessa was one and the same os the Turin Shroud, we are therefor faced with a second and much more mysterious period of disappearance. There are clues through the Templars writings and stories.

It would seem that perhaps the mystery has been solved. This is a very condensed version of events. One has to read "The Blood and the Shroud" by Ian Wilson. It is a detective story not to be missed. His is the best documented history of the Shroud that I have read. Whew. I have to run soon. Church calls. Please overlook any typos. I don't have time to proof.

[nufsed]

Thanx

[Mercat]

CDT

[Mercat]

I guess I also assumed that people would look at their own schedules since different cable companies may have different schedules. This is a rather snippy thread - not you but some people are cranky. I love Holy Week. It may seem odd but I really love Good Friday and have it blocked off on my calendar every year.

[Kansas58]

They were mentioned, I believe, in the original story that comprised prompted this thread.

[Cash Back Real Estate]

The Knights Templar were founded by Hughes de Payens in 1118 or 1119. Templar history is interesting - there are several good books on their history available. There are some sources who quote that Freemasonry was an offshoot of the Templars.

[Quix]

Thanks.

[Star Traveler]

Well, CapnJack, you said — It was my understanding that the Knights Templar were the keepers of the Holy Grail.

—

Ummm..., well some think that “Holy Grail = Shroud of Turin” — especially in terms of the blood which is contained on it... (get out the DNA analyzers...)

[Star Traveler]

Well, CapnJack, you were also saying — Probably in the same place as the ... Ark of the Covenant.

—

I understand that some of the rabbis say they know where it’s located under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. But, they are not getting it out, until they get the Temple built...

I guess we’ll see...

[Quix]

INDEED.

WE’LL SEE.

Thx.

[Star Traveler]

Interesting... signed up just for that one... :-)

[1066AD]

Woops !

Missed the seeds, what did they find ?

[SunkenCiv]

· join list or digest · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post a topic ·
	Gods Graves Glyphs	Thanks BuckeyeTexan. Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution. Shroud of Turin description in Sermon from 944AD Constantinople! www.Shroud.com | August 15, 944 AD - Translated January 2004 Mark Guscin - Gregory Referendarius, Archdeacon of Hagia Sophia Posted on 01/21/2004 3:27:17 AM PST by Swordmaker Google To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach
·Dogpile · Archaeologica · ArchaeoBlog · Archaeology · Biblical Archaeology Society · · Discover · Nat Geographic · Texas AM Anthro News · Yahoo Anthro & Archaeo · Google · · The Archaeology Channel · Excerpt, or Link only? · cgk's list of ping lists ·

[healy61]

Please see post 57. Somethings are just not known due to lost records. History is like that.