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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
" But there is also a form of noise which is a coherent message or message fragment that is broadcast (non-autonomous to the receiver) or that bleeds into the channel."

That's interference, not noise. Interference is not a form of noise. Noise is represented by a random function of the underlying interaction variables, such that they effect all processes equally. Interference is not. Interference represents particular interactions of those variables, which are themselves subject to noise.

Without the underlying uncertainty inherent in all interactions, essentially no interactions would occur. That underlying uncertainty is what gives rise to the Gaussian distribution of events known as noise and makes interaction events possible.

192 posted on 04/04/2009 12:19:13 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets; betty boop
Thank you for your reply!

Emphasis mine:

Shannon: Mathematical Theory of Communication

PART II: THE DISCRETE CHANNEL WITH NOISE

11. Representation of a Noisy Discrete Channel

We now consider the case where the signal is perturbed by noise during transmission or at one or the other of the terminals. This means the received signal is not necessarily the same as that sent out by the transmitter. Two cases may be distinguished. If a particular transmitted signal always produces the same received signal, i.e. the received signal is a definite function of the transmitted signal, then the effect may be called distortion. If this function has an inverse – no two transmitted signals producing the same received signal – distortion may be correct, at least in principle, by merely performing the inverse functional operation on the received signal.

The case of interest here is that in which the signal does not always undergo the same change in transmission. In this case we may assume the received signal E to be a function of the transmitted signal S, and a second variable, the noise N.

The noise is considered to be a chance variable just as the message was above.

Just like the content of the message has no bearing on the Shannon model, neither does the content of the noise.

It could be thermal noise. And it could also be interference that adds to the signal.

It is a chance variable just like the message. The model is the same regardless of the content of the message or the noise.

The bottom line in this segment of the Shannon model is how to handle the situation where the received signal is not the same as the transmitted signal. That is where encoding, decoding, channel capacity, speed of transmission and redundancy come into play.


217 posted on 04/04/2009 10:42:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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