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Victor Davis Hanson: G-20 Outtakes. Europe Got Obama, Now What? O is moving to the left of Europe
pajamasmedia.com and NRO ^ | April 1, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/02/2009 8:14:04 AM PDT by Tolik

2 related articles:

Hanson's blog: G-20 Outtakes http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/g-20-outtakes/

and NRO's Europe Got Obama — Now What? Obama is moving to the left of Europe.


G-20 Outtakes http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/g-20-outtakes/

Poodle Redux. Blair was denigrated as Bush’s poodle, although his eloquence and influence over Bush were clear to all. In contrast,  Gordon Brown is embarrassingly obsequious to Obama, in a way Blair never was around Bush. And in further contrast, Obama shows an airy, polite disdain at being courted in such grubby fashion—while Bush was downright magnanimous in taking advice from Blair. Didn’t Brown get the message with the unviewable DVDs, the return of the Churchill bust, the ‘UK size of Oregon’ analogies? And will the press do a Brit “poodle” story?

Rich Rioters. Odd to see anarchists trying to burn and loot while some are text messaging and cell-phoning in the news clips—as if such ignoramuses can’t grasp that nihilism and anti-capitalist angst lose their authenticity when they depend on the trademarks of the global corporate world. Spoiled Westerners tried to riot on TV before texting each other to meet for latte (no doubt at Starbucks); those in Peru or Chad or happy enough to have access to Amoxicillin via globalization.

Europe Out-europed. There is a certain sort of irony in London. Bush was so easily caricatured as the right-wing Texas-slanging cowboy that Euros found it easy to pose as progressive utopian antitheses. (Never mind that Bush in his second term was good to Europe, or that his positions on immigration, spending, new federal programs, etc. were hardly conservative.) Now Obama is trumping them all as a far more genuine leftist than any in Berlin or Paris. The President wants far bigger deficits than they do, wants more trade protectionism to protect domestic unions, wants to embrace cap and trade whole hog, is more eager to engage radical regimes abroad, and will pay for his socialism with big cuts in defense that will make it harder to protect socialist unarmed Europe. 

All sorts of ironies arise: is all this sort of a ‘be careful what you wish for’ nemesis that Europe deserves? (I wrote about this for this week’s TMS column). A sort of Obama doing a Nixon to China that everyone can take an odd delight in? (no liberal will dare suggest he is being rude to the Brits or having trouble connecting with our allies). Or is Obama reflecting new realities that the US is now a revolutionary society whose immigration the last 50 years has come from Latin America, Africa, and Asia, that in turn better warrant our attention? Hussein is not the middle name of most European ministers (nor are many of African heritages), and Obama reminds Europe that we too were a colony without much of a colonialist history. All so strange.

Debt, debt, debt everywhere. The backdrop behind the entire scene is that Obama is borrowing $1.7 trillion, and with future projected budgets that require perhaps another ca. $10 trillion over the next possible eight years. The message seems to be that we Americans need new entitlements that we cannot pay for, nor have we earned them with goods and services, but we want all of you abroad to lend us the cash nonetheless. Odd, as was pointed out a few posts ago, that we will have cradle-to-grave health care due to borrowed Chinese dollars that didn’t go to basic cancer treatment to millions of Chinese who toil at factories.

And Apologies Too! Obama apologized for American culpability for the meltdown. But wait: Iceland melted without us. No American forced Austrian banks to lend 100% plus of their worth to eastern Europe. What did Wall Street have to do with the crazy Spanish or Aegean real estate market, or the nutty spending habits of oil-drunk Russians and Middle Easterners? If he wants to apologize (this is going to be a long Carter/Clinton “I’m sorry” Presidency), then, for God’s sake apologize for the new borrowing, and draining the world’s available capital to finance our out of control budgets. 

Re: the new relations with Russia. I hope all the happy talk leads to less tensions. But it is easy to sort of promise to be nice, to push the “reset” button, or to talk grandly of new protocols; but the fact is that all this rhetoric means nothing.

What Obama must answer is to what degree is he going to turn Ukraine, Georgia, and other former Soviet republics back over to Russian influence, to what degree is he going to ignore Russian gas/oil blackmail over energy-hungry Western Europe, to what degree is he going to tsk tsk Russian complicity in Iran’s nuclear program, to what degree is he going to drop talk of protecting eastern Europe (and Western) with an anti-ballistic system aimed at Iranian missiles, etc. If those really are issues, then we will have problems with an authoritarian and dictatorial Russia bent on restoring former grandeur. 

Hope and Change. In every case, a democratic Russia, integrated within the West, could solve such tensions fairly easily. But I fear now that all of them are challenges that Putin, Inc. will see as means to an end, such as restoring domestic pride, restoring Russian hegemony in areas encroaching upon Eastern Europe, and creating more problems for the US that will check our power.

I fear that the Russians will leave praising Obama to the skies, while delighted that Iran’s new bomb will cause us problems untold, that those in the East cannot trust us in a crisis, that Europe will learn to respect Russia if their flats are to stay warm—and that a rogue’s gallery of global fascists will begin to look to Russia, in Cold War fashion, to deal with us to further their aims.

Bottom line: this is the first global summit that I can remember in which the United States is occupying a position to the left of all our allies, and, in our fiscal promiscuity, to the left of our left-wing rivals as well.



 NRO's Europe Got Obama — Now What? Obama is moving to the left of Europe

"Yes, we can!" Germans shouted in unison with candidate Barack Obama at their Victory Column in Berlin this past summer.

To judge by the crowds and European media, most Europeans were as ecstatic about the coming of the Obama presidency as they were over the departure of George W. Bush. At last, an American president who praised multilateralism and the United Nations, and seemed sympathetic to Europe’s socialist culture.

Obama’s multiracial, nontraditional heritage seemed sophisticated and cosmopolitan in a European way that Bush’s Texas accent and Christian fundamentalism most definitely were not.

Despite Bush’s efforts in his second term to work closely with the Europeans, and the emergence of conservative governments in France, Germany, and Italy, Old Europe for the most part was all too happy to see him go.

But will Europe always be happy with the Obama it wished for?

Mirek Topolánek, prime minister of the Czech Republic (which currently holds the European Union presidency), just blasted the Obama administration’s stimulus plans as “a way to hell.”

German chancellor Angela Merkel sniffed: “We must look at the causes of this crisis. It happened because we were living beyond our means. . . . We cannot repeat this mistake.”

And just when President Obama announced the dispatch of thousands more troops to Afghanistan, many European leaders confirmed they will withdraw their own contingents over the next two years.

America, meanwhile, may backtrack on missile defense for Eastern Europe in the face of Russian threats. And there is talk of more trade protectionism in the Democratic-controlled Congress. Europeans wouldn’t be happy if either of these things came to pass.

What, then, is going on?

In some sense, the Obama administration will bring a new honesty to European-American relations. For the last eight years, Europeans have had it both ways. Bush took out Saddam Hussein, removed the Taliban from power, hunted terrorists, offered firm security guarantees to the Europeans in their squabbles with the Russians, tried to box in Iran, and ran trade deficits with his free-trade policies. For his efforts, he was caricatured as a cowboy buffoon by European sophisticates.

But now after welcoming Obama, the Europeans are beginning to discover that they must contend with a new administration to the left of themselves. And as we saw with Obama’s recent cavalier treatment of visiting British prime minister Gordon Brown — he was given a packet of DVDs, unviewable in Europe, as a going-away gift — Obama doesn’t seem convinced of any special relationship with Europe. His interests and priorities lie more in Asia, Latin America, and Africa — places that have also been the great sources of immigration to America the last half-century.

So, it will be harder for Europeans to pull off the old two-step of quietly wanting the U.S. to deter threats while loudly deploring our Neanderthal reliance on brute force.

As Afghanistan turns from a joint NATO project into an American war, the Obama administration may well conclude that if we don’t have European allies against the Taliban, we won’t elsewhere. Perhaps NATO will be seen as a Cold War relic, with no place in Obama’s brave new multipolar world.

Given Obama’s plans to emulate Europe’s expensive socialist entitlement system, there may be less money for defense. Ironically, that would mean less American protection abroad of a disarmed socialist Europe — a continent sandwiched between North Africa, the Middle East, and Russia, with millions of unassimilated Muslim immigrants at home.

In matters of foreign policy, Obama likewise has outflanked the Europeans. His calls for talks without restriction with the Iranians; his offer to pour hundreds of millions into Gaza; his outreach to the Syrians; and his popular resonance in South America, the Middle East, and Africa suggest that a leftist America now has more in common with some of these former European colonies than do the centrist Europeans.

It was once easy to slur Bush’s War on Terror as typical American overkill. But now Europeans had better worry that someone in the Obama administration will notice that the renditions, preventative detentions, wiretapping, and summary deportations practiced in parts of Europe were often as authoritarian as anything Bush embraced.

On a number of other issues — expensive legislation to combat global warming, multilateral foreign policy, massive government borrowing, relations with unsavory foreign dictators — Obama is moving to the left of Europe.

The transatlantic alliance we’ve taken for granted for so many years, of course, won’t come to an end overnight. But how ironic will it be if its eventual downfall is someday traced not to a loud George Bush bang, but to a Barack Obama whimper

 



TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: bho44; europeanization; g20summit; obama; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 04/02/2009 8:14:04 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: All
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index:
Victor Davis Hanson: President Obama’s First 70 Days. It really does all make sense
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part Three of Three [The Good]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part Two of Three [The Ugly]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part One of Three Victor Davis Hanson: American Mob Rule. We need a Socrates in Washington right now
Victor Davis Hanson: Thoughts About Depressed Americans
Victor Davis Hanson: Bush Did It. What a difference an election makes [Brilliant Parody]
Victor Davis Hanson: Dr. Obama: First, Do No Harm. Let nature do its work
Now You Tell Us, Mr. President!
Victor Davis Hanson: The "Depression" for Us Idiots
HANSON: Maxing out a crisis card
Now, Obama Tells Us?
Victor Davis Hanson: Europeanizing Europe. They may have got more than they bargained for [Obama]
Victor Davis Hanson: Fast and Thick in the Age of Obama
NOW OBAMA TELLS US?
The "They Did It" Presidency (Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Steyn, Andy McCarthy)
Oh, the Debts We Will See! (What's in store for us and our children after this Stimulus/Budget)
5 Reasons Wall Street Is Worried
Have-It-All Californians Squander Blessings In Era Of Complacency
Victor Davis Hanson: Obamafusion [Why is Wall Street Worried? — Let us count the ways]
Accounting for California's suicide
Obama: The Great Divider
Victor Davis Hanson: More on Rush
Accounting for California’s Suicide
Victor Davis Hanson: The Great Divider? [five modest recommendations to Obama - that he won't use]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Triumph of Banality [Obama's talent for dishonesty in political discourse]

2 posted on 04/02/2009 8:14:46 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; SJackson; dennisw; kellynla; monkeyshine; Alouette; nopardons; ...


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3 posted on 04/02/2009 8:15:26 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Not only that, but really the only hardship on non-American financial institutions has been the taking on of bad debt—whether American mortgage-backed securities or any of the non-American routes that Hansen describes. Since when are we responsible for bad investment decisions by non-American private or public entities?


4 posted on 04/02/2009 8:18:53 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Tolik

He is one of the great writers of our time.


5 posted on 04/02/2009 8:22:48 AM PDT by bfree (Obamie the Commie-- FBO)
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To: All
sorry for the HTML error and broken links. All is fixed here: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index:
Victor Davis Hanson: President Obama’s First 70 Days. It really does all make sense
Victor Davis Hanson: G-20 Outtakes. Europe Got Obama, Now What? Obama is moving to the left of Europe
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part Three of Three [The Good]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part Two of Three [The Ugly]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part One of Three
Victor Davis Hanson: American Mob Rule. We need a Socrates in Washington right now
Victor Davis Hanson: Thoughts About Depressed Americans
Victor Davis Hanson: Bush Did It. What a difference an election makes [Brilliant Parody]
Victor Davis Hanson: Dr. Obama: First, Do No Harm. Let nature do its work
Now You Tell Us, Mr. President!
Victor Davis Hanson: The "Depression" for Us Idiots
HANSON: Maxing out a crisis card
Now, Obama Tells Us?
Victor Davis Hanson: Europeanizing Europe. They may have got more than they bargained for [Obama]
Victor Davis Hanson: Fast and Thick in the Age of Obama
NOW OBAMA TELLS US?
The "They Did It" Presidency (Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Steyn, Andy McCarthy)
Oh, the Debts We Will See! (What's in store for us and our children after this Stimulus/Budget)
5 Reasons Wall Street Is Worried
Have-It-All Californians Squander Blessings In Era Of Complacency
Victor Davis Hanson: Obamafusion [Why is Wall Street Worried? — Let us count the ways]
Accounting for California's suicide
Obama: The Great Divider
Victor Davis Hanson: More on Rush
Accounting for California’s Suicide
Victor Davis Hanson: The Great Divider? [five modest recommendations to Obama - that he won't use]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Triumph of Banality [Obama's talent for dishonesty in political discourse]

6 posted on 04/02/2009 8:32:24 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Europe Got Obama — Now What?

Um...how about we let them keep him?

It'd be the best thing to happen to this country since the last Civil War...

7 posted on 04/02/2009 9:01:39 AM PDT by NorCoGOP (Recession: friend loses his job. Depression: You lose your job. Recovery: Obama loses his job.)
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To: Tolik

thanks.


8 posted on 04/02/2009 9:17:14 AM PDT by ken21 (the only thing we have to fear is fdr deja vu.)
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To: Tolik

bump


9 posted on 04/02/2009 9:40:02 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: Tolik
For the last eight years, Europeans have had it both ways. Bush took out Saddam Hussein, removed the Taliban from power, hunted terrorists, offered firm security guarantees to the Europeans in their squabbles with the Russians, tried to box in Iran, and ran trade deficits with his free-trade policies. For his efforts, he was caricatured as a cowboy buffoon by European sophisticates.

Two things should be pointed out here - first, that those activities were very much in the interest of the Europeans who most loudly condemned them, a relic of the Cold War days when such condemnation was guilt-free and beneficial to an independent self-image. One upshot of that was that the posture it entailed also tended to commit certain governments adopting it against domestic measures that might have been equally beneficial, especially with regard to immigration, assimilation, and the enforcement of native laws.

Second, that several of those governments (excepting Spain) have since moved to the right, as VDH points out, while the U.S. government has lurched to the left. It wouldn't be such a critical matter if the distribution of assets dedicated to collective security weren't skewed so much in one direction. That's particularly unfortunate given the rather long pipeline time inherent with military assets and the difficulties in funding related to the current economic climate. I don't see it remediated before the bulk of security efforts are likely to shift away from field operations in Afghanistan to domestic security efforts in such places as Paris, Rotterdam, London, and elsewhere.

So, it will be harder for Europeans to pull off the old two-step of quietly wanting the U.S. to deter threats while loudly deploring our Neanderthal reliance on brute force.

Perhaps not - the people with the keyboards and the microphones did NOT move to the right with their governments, and hence this is likely not to change a great deal. Moreover, the general cultural climate within academia and media has actually seemed to trend further leftward, especially with respect to Palestine. Given that that also seems to be the position of the current Obama administration, things do not portend for support of Israel from any side. That's exacerbated by the complete failure of European negotiation with regard to the Iranian nuclear weapons efforts and the trend on the part of the Obama administration away from confrontation and in favor of the same sort of negotiations that have so enabled and encouraged the radicals within Iran. It's a pretty obvious flashpoint and the insistence on papering the whole thing over with words while the cauldron comes to a boil is reminiscent of Chamberlain at Munich. If there is a war there the press will be a good deal to blame and will shirk that responsibility as it always does, being satisfied to shift the blame to...well, that's a problem, because Bush is no longer an always-available whipping boy.

The future of collective security is, unfortunately, rather grim. The fantastically silly utopian proposition that if we're less capable of defending our interests with violence we'll be less tempted to, fails every time in the face of those who have no such compunction. It's about to be tested again, and I fear the results will be the same as they always have throughout history.

10 posted on 04/02/2009 9:46:41 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Thanks for your analysis, always looking forward to read them.

The future of collective security is, unfortunately, rather grim. The fantastically silly utopian proposition that if we're less capable of defending our interests with violence we'll be less tempted to, fails every time in the face of those who have no such compunction. It's about to be tested again, and I fear the results will be the same as they always have throughout history

Because I want to remain optimistic, I'd think about the security apparatus of Europe: while the media, mostly leftist, masturbates with the usual PC crap and celebrates how brave they are by standing up to this bully American, security there quietly does its job and cooperates with us. Their rules are way more intrusive than Patriot Act, cameras everywhere, etc, etc. Eastern Europeans are not infected with PC as much neither. I can't imagine them being numerous and having too much money, but hope that those guys have their brains wired properly. Otherwise its too bad.

11 posted on 04/02/2009 11:37:25 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Soon Europe will say to the United States- You Know, we liked you better when you where a bunch of Son of a B*tches
12 posted on 04/02/2009 12:53:45 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (United States is a NOW a Terrorist Nation- we export abortion!)
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