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To: mass55th
Hey Senator, try making prisons so horrible that no one would ever want to set foot in one.

Mission accomplished.

Just one thing - the reason they are so horrible is that the violent and sadistic minority of prisoners are in charge, not the guards and certainly not the State.

That the State - dispenser of justice and mercy - tolerates this situation greatly aggravates the problem of recidivism.

Instead of letting violent sociopaths dominate the other prisoners (that's a lot of FReepers idea of just punishment), they should be isolated or killed as a sign that the State dispenses justice with wisdom and mercy.

As it is, the actions of the State are incomprehensible to the broken people in prison, and run a very good chance of bringing them out worse than they went in.

14 posted on 03/30/2009 3:05:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Jim Noble
"Just one thing - the reason they are so horrible is that the violent and sadistic minority of prisoners are in charge, not the guards and certainly not the State."

Discipline behind bars is slim to none, at least in the NY State prison system, in which I worked for over 23 years. After Attica, the courts got involved in running the prisons, and that's when things started going downhill. In the early 80's, as the prison population exploded, Mario Cuomo started tossing the mentally ill out on the street, and NY Corrections began taking over the vacant institutions, and renovating them into dormitory-style, medium-security facilities. Because it cost too much to build actual prison cells, they added more medium-security facilities, using a similar design across the state, again, with dormitory-style housing units.

We ended up with a limited number of special housing cells in which to place our problem inmates. About a year before I retired in 2003, they ended up building a brand new 200-bed maximum security unit to house long-term disciplinary inmates. They did this at several other prisons across the state as well. Another problem that cropped up in the 80's, was the increase in the incarceration of inmates with mental health problems. When I started the job in 1980, the officers, not the medical staff were dispensing drugs like Sinequin, Stelazine, thorazine, etc., each night to the convicts. When you put them to bed each night in their cells, you went down the gallery with a crap-load of meds to give out. Some officers had so many inmates on meds, that they had to take them down on a cart. The Union finally did something about it, and the facilities were forced to put the responsibility for dispensing medications where it should have originally been, in the hands of the medical staff. We ended up with so many mentally ill convicts in the system, that the State opened up special mental hygiene satellite units at several maximum security prisons across the state. Again, when I retired in 2003, the medium-security facility I worked at was renovating one of the buildings to be used specifically as a mental hygiene unit. It had previously held two large housing units upstairs for general population, and a small special housing unit on the first floor.

Yet another problem was that the State didn't want the officers to do the job. All of the Department Commissioners in Albany, and facility Superintendents, and Deputy-Superintendents are political appointees. They serve at the pleasure of the Commissioner, who serves at the pleasure of the Governor. At the local level, management would discourage you from writing misbehavior reports on convicts, because in Albany's eyes, if your facility had too many misbehavior reports written, it meant as a Superintendent, you didn't have control of your prison. And that could mean you'd get demoted back to the last Civil Service title you held. Local management danced to the tune of Albany. They did whatever they were told because their jobs depended on it. Albany was more interested in having floors free of wax build-up than they were in knowing whether the convicts were doing drugs or carrying weapons. The best thing I ever did was retire early when I got the chance. I run into folks I used to work with from time to time, and they say it's worse now than it was when I was there. I haven't missed it one bit.

17 posted on 03/30/2009 3:59:18 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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