Posted on 03/25/2009 7:07:20 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
“considering filing for bankruptcy.”
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I don’t think they let you do that with tuition bills anymore.
I think the Navy is way out of line here. Asthma is a fairly common ailment and fairly easy to control with medication. While you don't want to put a person on a submarine or a ship likely to be in combat who is prone to asthma, there are about 3-4 rear echelon jobs in the army for every front-line job and, I would guess, an even higher ratio in the navy.
Therefore, I don't see how this is any different from any other contract-- the young lady is apparently quite willing to serve, the navy is just unwilling to make minimal accomodations to exclude her from the 20% or assignments where an asthma condition would be a genuine impediment. That's the Navy's choice, not hers and she shouldn't have to pay for something she can't control.
I used to work with a guy who received over $300 a month - for life - because he fainted during a induction physical. (Like this lady, he was never sworn into any branch of armed forces)
If the termination was for medical reasons, that arose after her signing a contract, if she had performed in good faith and as reasonably requested, and there is nothing in the contract that clearly states that any failure to complete will result in repayment; there is someone out there who can get her home free and maybe with a nest egg.
Even if it states that repayment is due (immediately) if the student gets sick - particularly as a result of the training required by the USN - even the government would be hard pressed to enforce such a clearly discriminatory contract.
Having had to deal with the VA as well as the government in general, I've got to believe that this is a case of bureaucracy doing what it does best by screwing up an interpretation of policy to the detriment of the individual.
One thing is clear ... she has appealed the Navy’s decision three times, unsuccessfully. What I’d like to read are those three decisions — and the underlying rules and regulations upon which they are based. I’d also like to read the precise language of any contracts that she signed to join the ROTC program ... and what they say about medical disqualification and repayment obligations. The problem with this news story (like many news stories) is that we really don’t have all of the pertinent information.
You know her? Then post her picture, already!
Never happen. You don’t get a va service connected disability if you never served. whoever told you that is an outright liar.
Military is funny, and it depends on the times. ROTC grad in 1980 with Chem Eng degree. Choose Chem Corp, but half way in tha paper work, they could not give it to me because the Chem Corp just got re classified as combat support, thus my eyesight and glasses precluded me from being in it. Next closest MOS was Ordnance Corp (despite name most officers end up being maintenance officers). Went into the Reserves, found a local unit, but no ordnance slots, so they assigned me to be a training officer in an Infantry One Station Unit Training division. Spent most of my career in the reserves as a basic training officer for infantry. Most of my annual training was in Ft Benning GA, home of the infantry. When I was assigned the battalion mob officer duty, I looked up what my war plan duties were. Guess what, in the worst case scenario, the basic training unit upon finishing infantry school, ALL the officers (disregarding branch) will be deployed with the unit as a replacement for any losses. In other words all that time spent in the basic training IN-OSUT company I was essentially an infantry officer despite my “poor” eyesight. An old sarge once told me, when the crap hits the fan, everyone will be infantry!! Wonder if things have changed since then.
On another note, it took literally years to get a pension for a friend with both PTSD and Asbestosis from his gig in the Navy...but I was offered ten to fifteen percent for fungus (passed).
“I also suspect her “exercise induced asthma” was a precondition she couldn’t help but be aware of....”
Not necessarily. Mine showed up in my late 30’s. I was previously a competitive surfer, soccer player, pilot rescue swimmer, etc. ad nauseum. Ran everyday. When the exercise induced asthma showed up it was large and in charge. Not all asthma onset is during childhood.
Usually paying back tuition was a matter of punitive action. If you put in your time and effort, medical wasn't held against you. Racking up penalties and interest makes me think somebody got a transfer from the IRS over to the Navy ROTC office.
The Navy has no billets for shore duty hogging people. Go to sea or go home.
Sorry, but I never accept a plaintiff attorney's theory of the case as being absolutely true. I'll wait for the facts to come out.
all bureaucrats are utterly incompetent.
Not one exception in the history of the world.
Pic at link. Not guilty. Very not guilty.
I don't know if I agree here... I had a college roommate who tried to join the marines after he realized that college just wasn't for him. He played lacrosse as a mid-fielder all through grade school, high school, and college, but he failed his marines physical and couldn't join because they diagnosed him with "exercise induced asthma." And he was a mid-fielder!
Mark
Great way to attract top students into the ROTC and military too. I’m sure every kid who’s on the verge of choosing a college and deciding whether or not to commit to an ROTC scholarship offer is hearing about this, and so are their parents. Just think about it — a kid could get turned into a paraplegic by a drunk driver or come down with brain cancer, and the Navy would send them a six figure bill.
I’ve had two exercise-induced asthma episodes in my life — both very scary and both in situations where a coach/instructor was insisting I continue a strenuous activity when I was saying I needed to stop and rest. First episode was when I was about 16 and the second was when I was 22. It’s very possible that this young lady had never had such an episode before she started college, and it may well have been brought to light by rigorous ROTC training activities where there was intense pressure to continue even when you felt you really needed to stop. If it hadn’t been for those two unwise individuals I encountered (first was a high school Phys Ed teacher during a swimming class, second was a college gymnastics team coach), I’d have gone right on doing what I’d always done — resting for a couple of minutes when I felt I really needed to — and I would never have known I had exercise-induced asthma.
“I don’t think they let you do that with tuition bills anymore”
Well, technically it’s not a tuition bill. It’s a contractual debt owed to DOD, I suppose. That being said, were I in a similar position I’d file for bankruptcy in a heartbeat.
Fer cryin’ out loud, she’s a grad student! I survived on Kool-Aid and pancakes while I was in graduate school, ‘cause I didn’t have any money. I doubt she’s any different, so she can’t pay it back anyway. That’s what bankruptcy is for.
Now they may have some interesting twists on not being able to take bankruptcy, but I’d sure pursue it. I don’t see much difference between this and a medical bankruptcy. In fact, it sounds a lot like a medical bankruptcy.
Having worked my way through most of my college education, part of me wonders why one would seem to be saying they’re entitled to a free ride. I guess I didn’t have access to programs like that when I went through.
They also didn’t charge you the price of a house for your education.
I payed my tuition as I went too.
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