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To: GodGunsGuts
I think the big point of confusion that most non-creationists are stuck on is the assumption that any observation of change is automatically evidence for wholesale evolution by purely natural processes with all life coming from a single common ancestor. But that's like saying that the world must be flat because your front yard is flat.

We observe a variety of evolutionary change, so properly speaking all informed creationists are "evolutionists." The difference is that we do not have blind faith in the omnipotence of chance + natural selection. With the help of science we can map out what is and is not possible for evolutionary mechanisms to perform. Anything above that threshhold is, in our experience, the results of an intelligent designer.

This is why we believe the clothing we are wearing was intelligently designed, for example - not because we've seen the factory or the clothing designer at work, but because we all know and accept that nature doesn't produce blue jeans and shirts by itself. (If you say it's because you read the clothing tag, dear reader, I'll tear the tag off and paste it to a rock - do you then believe the rock was intelligently designed?)

9 posted on 03/23/2009 9:07:42 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970
"I think the big point of confusion that most non-creationists are stuck on is the assumption that any observation of change is automatically evidence for wholesale evolution by purely natural processes with all life coming from a single common ancestor."

Also known as the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

12 posted on 03/23/2009 9:11:43 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Liberty1970
"This is why we believe the clothing we are wearing was intelligently designed, for example - not because we've seen the factory or the clothing designer at work, but because we all know and accept that nature doesn't produce blue jeans and shirts by itself. (If you say it's because you read the clothing tag, dear reader, I'll tear the tag off and paste it to a rock - do you then believe the rock was intelligently designed?)"

HAHAHAHA. So I take it you know bluejeans are designed and manufactured by humans not from the physical evidence, but from some sort of first principles? Please demonstrate your reasoning!

Also, how do you feel about bananas? Is their evident suitability for humans more proof of special creation?

hahaha, this is just too good. Philosophical reasoning for human manufacture of bluejeans! Why let a simple visit to a bluejeans factory decide things when you can invent crazy philosophical reasoning about it!

78 posted on 03/23/2009 10:42:20 PM PDT by oldmanreedy
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