Prelude to the Civil War; Four states mark the 150th anniversary of John Brown’s raid

johnbrownraid.org ^ | March/April 2009 | Theresa Gawlas Medoff

[Arkinsaw]

Nice try. Now back to my question. Explain how a non-peaceful one started by a terrorist incident would have lasted longer in Romania...which is the point you made and must defend without changing the subject.

[Zionist Conspirator]

If time travel ever becomes possible I hope the first thing they do is go back and get John Brown and drop him in the center of San Francisco’s Castro district. Then we’d find out if he was as left wing as some of his self-proclaimed admirers seem to think.

[Dead Corpse]

The American revolution was anything but "peaceful". If you don't want to use that as a template, I have nothing else for you.

Nor you for me.

[Arkinsaw]

The American revolution was anything but "peaceful". If you don't want to use that as a template, I have nothing else for you.

Another one comparing the founding fathers to terrorists? If you review the thread somebody else did that already and I pointed out to them the differences between George Washington and a terrorist. They are major differences.

Back to my question....

I made a point about the Romanian revolution.....you insinuated that they are reverting to socialism because their revolution was relatively peaceful and that if it had been caused by a violent terrorist incident things would be different.....I am waiting for you to explain the logic behind that without wiggling.

(I could point out that our violent "terrorist" revolution in America was a failure too since we seem to be reverting to socialism......so I guess even us terrorist founded countries can mess up like Romania)

[Dead Corpse]

Another one comparing the founding fathers to terrorists?

Nope. That's you making those comparisons.

[bushfamfan]

I see the Brown posts are STILL getting responses and as for this particular post to me in comparing the fight against slavery to the 0bama goons being excused to hack people to death that disagree-WHERE IS THAT COMPARABLE TO SLAVERY AND STATE INJUSTICE? There would be more cause agaiinst a fascist state for its citizens to rise against it and I don’t see the comparisons. So stop with trying to equate the slavery issue of that day and what the country was going through to me saying it would be just for 0bama to squash dissent when that would be tyranny. When it gets to that point it would be more excusable for a John Brown-type to rise against this nation’s gov’t yet again, not the other way around!

[bushfamfan]

It needed to end. I don’t see your point. Slavery was wrong and the land needed to be purged with blood and was. The country ended up paying for its great sin.

[bushfamfan]

What about the souls of those who enslaved others and actually died in the cause of keeping it that way?

[Arkinsaw]

Nope. That's you making those comparisons.

That would be false. You are working really hard to avoid the questions. I don't have time to watch you dodge and weave so I guess we will leave it at that until you want to actually debate.

[Arkinsaw]

When it gets to that point it would be more excusable for a John Brown-type to rise against this nation’s gov’t yet again, not the other way around!

It's not excusable either way. Terrorism is only for those who don't have the support of the people and must resort to evil acts. Free Republics are not based on anarchic acts.

You make the same appeals to "higher law" that every terrorist does from bin laden to ELF.

[Dead Corpse]

Sorry you would rather play semantics than have a constructive dialog.

[Peter Libra]

Possibly mentioned somewhere on this thread, but in any case a few observations should be made.

Heyward Shepherd was a free Black man who had a position on the railroad as baggage handler, some reports as baggage master. In doing a little research it seems that Shepherd's death is spun recklessly, more so by the supporters of John Brown. Whatever the reason though, this man was properly and employed as an equal, he was killed by Brown or his followers.

One convenient view is that he went to "join" Brown and his anarchists with a view to having his family freed in another state. Whatever it was, the man was shot down. He has a monument in his memory.

The tears are for Brown, of course.

[TexConfederate1861]

Since the Bible doesn’t condemn slavery, it is ridiculous to compare that to murder.

[stand watie]

"Bubba", we all note that you haven't had the GUTS/brains to truthfully answer my questions in #204.

could it be that you don't want to ADMIT the TRUTH about "the blue FILTH that flowed down from the North"

and

the FACT that the "invaders in blue" were pleased to prey on Blacks (both freeman and slave) & upon "persons, who were other than white" because they could, with little/no fear of the consequences from the DY High Command (all too many DAMNyankees freed the slaves ONLY from being ALIVE!)

OR

that most Black CSA veterans fought the yankees to protect their family/farm/community/LIFE???

free dixie,sw

[Arkinsaw]

Sorry you would rather play semantics than have a constructive dialog.

No, when someone challenges my statement I expect them to debate it...not change the subject and writhe around.

[bushfamfan]

Yeah, just perfectly ‘legal’ for a master to kill their slave if they saw it that way or beatings, rape the women, split the children from their parents, etc. Knock off the excuses for a monstrosity. And who’s to say anyone involved in any kind of warfare and killing(as that is the business of WAR) is any better just because it is state-sponsored?!

[bushfamfan]

You will continually make excuses for slavery against man but find killing in the name of taxes A-OK. You continue to avoid the issue and try to change the subject to Bin Laden who is another slave-holder type who wants to dictate how others live their lives which is very much in line with the slavery mentality that once gripped this nation.

[stand watie]

fwiw, you have NOT answered my questions, as they make the DAMNyamnkees & YOU look like HYPOCRYTES/FOOLS/south-HATERS & CRETINS.

may i gently suggest that you leave FR & go read the FACTS, rather than posting the south-HATING bilge that you are currently posting.

as i said in another post, you don't want to hear about the SLAVERS from the NORTH & how THOSE slave-owners acted. NOBODY's hands north or south were clean. therefore, it is ARROGANTLY ignorant, stupid & DISHONEST to try to cover-up for the DAMNyankees & to attack the southerners for PRECISELY the SAME grave sins.

btw, have you asked N-S for your "secret squirrel number", so that you can become a member in good-standing of "The DAMNyankee Coven of fools/HATERS/antisemites/BIGOTS/nitwits/lunatics"???

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

Hey, jackass. After taking me to task for not giving you a courtesy ping here you go and pull the same thing on me? Hypocrisy thy name is Southron supporter.

[stand watie]

"time about is FAIR PLAY", is the relevant cliche.

to all: DAMNyankees are all nitwits/FASCISTS/lunatics/BIGOTS/fools/HATERS so "fair play" isn't in their vocabulary.

free dixie,sw