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Since when is debating a subject an attempt to deny people the truth?

Fair enough. You listen to others and they will listen to you. If obama does not show his original long form that is denying the people truth. The people who support obama in this denial are accomplices against peoples right to truth. Are they afraid if the truth comes out it will be the end of obama?

As far as "seeking the truth," what I see is exactly the opposite on the "certifigate" threads, which lately are being repeated over and over again. They usually start with a whole lot of screaming such as "show the certificate!"

I read the same ol' same ol' from obama supporters also. Nothing new, no facts. A lot of misinformation and a lot of just plain old talking points. And what I read is anyone asking obama to show a simple document is called every name in the book. Totally berated and trashed by obama supporters. Mostly the name calling is used to deflect the information or stop anyone from thinking any of it is true. If it is not true why are they so worried? One possible scenario is one day obama shows his BC to prove everyone was wrong.

I signed up for obama's action wires the day his team had everyone call into the radio show to make sure obama's radical funding at CAC was derailed as the topic. Those people who called in were told to say specific things in a action wire. When they were asked on the radio about those specifics, they had no clue. Do not differentiate from what you are told to say. I know how this works. I see it on the threads.

Then some brave soul will make a comment not in agreement with the "gaters," and if they persist, they immediately get labeled an Obamabot, a thug, and just about every other insult short of the bannable.

I leave thug to obama and his team. It is the Chicago way. They know they are thugs. Usually I look back at someone's forum posts and can tell they show up for the birth certificate threads to place obama's truth. But they have nothing in the way of truth other than the online BC. Oh and, obama doesn't have to show his bc. So there. And repeating things like, the courts won't even look at the cases so you must be stupid. Or one of my favorites is, get over it, you lost. That should worry everyone, including obama supporters, that we cannot rely on the courts to defend our rights. Instead they like it because it is in their favor. They can't think ahead to the future when it is used against something they want and the precedent is set.

If someone repeats something on Obama's website, dailykos or mediamatters, as truth they are obamabots. Especially as obama's website truth changes as truth is revealed.

How that behavior contributes to "seeking the truth" is beyond me, as it is, I'd assume, for most reasonable people.

Anyone who blindingly supports obama is not reasonable. Those on obamas team support him because they know the agenda. A agenda they have wanted for decades and planned everything they would do when in power. 53 million who voted for him did not know obama would take away a lot of their second amendment rights and regulate the rest, that obama would fund FORCED abortions in China with our tax dollars, even consider making injured vets pay for insurance, take away guns from airline pilots that could stop another terror attack, diminish our military and be anti military, take taxpayer trillions to payback his buddies who funded his campaign, 900 million to gaza that will be captured by Hamas who Obama funded when was in the Woods foundation, enslave our future generation for his communist goals, destroy oil & coal companies and livelihoods through heavy taxing, carbon credits etc. They should be questioning. Of course those getting free handouts and welfare will always like anything obama does. But when the money runs out what then? Those being told they are heros for being in America illegally will always be for obama's agenda.