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To: Kansas58; NC28203
Kansas, please dig a little deeper. Search for "MINOR v. HAPPERSETT 1874". Here, I'll give you a link (click) from which I quote (with emphasis added):

"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."

To claim that a dictionary and logic wipe this issue clean for Obama is intellectually dishonest. Reading this text literally, Obama is at best a "citizen", assuming he was born in Hawaii, but decidedly not a natural born citizen. However, preceding text sidesteps the issue with "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." So, regrettably, the Justices did not see fit to cure the definition. As such we have a very legitimate concern today. It's time for the legislature and court systems to quit skirting the issue once and for all. If this "birther bill" expedites that process, it certainly deserves our support. Wong Kim Ark defended his citizenship and changed the course of the nation not by hiding his papers and stumping discovery, but with an honest and public fight. Obama lacks the courage to do the same and that, I believe, will be measured against him.
60 posted on 03/13/2009 2:14:51 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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61 posted on 03/13/2009 2:21:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gama Tamasi Ma Jyotir Gama)
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To: so_real
Excuse me, but it it YOU who needs to read a bit further on the subject, and on my position, with all due respect.

I think Obama DOES have a problem. Whether that problem is geography or paternity, I do not know for sure, but Obama is obviously hiding something.

Also, I do believe that what you have posted, directed towards me, is NOT exclusive but inclusive language, as far as who is included under the term, “Natural Born Citizen” -— No WHERE does it state, in what you have quoted, that this is the ONLY way to obtain Natural Born Citizen status.

Natural Born Citizen means that you were a citizen from the moment of Birth. Obama I am not at all sure meets that qualification, due to the age of his mother, UNLESS Obama was born on US soil, and on that point I am not sure.

However, McCain qualifies for POTUS, his parents were older than Obama’s Parents, and both were citizens of the US.

Jindal also qualifies, Jindal was born in the United States.

62 posted on 03/13/2009 2:21:46 PM PDT by Kansas58
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