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To: GodGunsGuts
Information is an objectively real but non-material entity (thus disproving the notion that only matter/energy exists). Information can be stored in a matter/energy medium, but it is not the medium itself. Otherwise it would require a nuclear reaction (along the lines of E=mc^2) every time you read a book, to transfer the information from the ink on the page into light photons and on into your neurons!

Since information is not a property of the energy/matter it rides on, naturalistic theories for the origin of information will inevitably fail. Thus, for example, you will never account for the information in a book by studying the laws of chemistry and physics that affect ink and paper. Such laws can explain the presence of patterns of ink blots (for example, dripping from a quill pen at a certain height and splashing on paper below it), but they will utterly fail to explain a sentence in an independently existing pre-specified language.

5 posted on 03/12/2009 12:43:02 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970; LiteKeeper

Excellent reply. Which just goes to show that reductionistic material science falls woefully short of explaining the informational foundation of biological systems.


8 posted on 03/12/2009 12:59:55 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Liberty1970
"Information is an objectively real but non-material entity (thus disproving the notion that only matter/energy exists)."

Ridiculous! You can not make a conclusion from a statement.

"Information can be stored in a matter/energy medium, but it is not the medium itself."

The storage is a configuration of energy. It's the configuration that has effect. Without any configuration of energy, there is nothing.

"Otherwise it would require a nuclear reaction (along the lines of E=mc^2) every time you read a book, to transfer the information from the ink on the page into light photons and on into your neurons!"

The whole process involves E=mc2. All elements of the process involve energy expendatures which are reductions in mass.

"Since information is not a property of the energy/matter it rides on, naturalistic theories for the origin of information will inevitably fail."

Information requires particular energy configurations, without which there is nothing.

9 posted on 03/12/2009 1:53:08 PM PDT by spunkets
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