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To: Man50D
I don't think they'd do us the dramatic and thrilling favor of putting a few conscientious doctors and nurses in jail. Thst would be a splendid scene and a rallying point for good people every.

But they don't have to put people in jail.

They just need to say, "Do this or you lose your license. Do this or you lose your job. Do this or you lose your funding. Do this or you'll be sued. Do this or you don't get published. Do this or you lose your certification. Do this or you don't get tenure. Do this or you're demoted. Do this or you're fired.

Step-by-step they have a million ways to turn the screws. That's why we NEED explicit protections for conscience. It needs to be ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE against health workers who won't cooperate with abortion - euthanasia -infanticide - suicicde - the many manifestations of the Death Project.

14 posted on 03/02/2009 4:49:22 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious. " - George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for a thoughtful post.


18 posted on 03/02/2009 4:55:40 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
""Do this or you lose your license. Do this or you lose your job. Do this or you lose your funding. Do this or you'll be sued. Do this or you don't get published. Do this or you lose your certification. Do this or you don't get tenure. Do this or you're demoted. Do this or you're fired. "

Again, thanks for a thoughtful post. As you're aware, most of the things you mention are already happening as a term of condition of employment in the public sector and in academia. We all know of examples.

36 posted on 03/02/2009 5:49:51 AM PST by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Spot on. This is why we need to be afraid.


56 posted on 03/02/2009 10:10:05 AM PST by righting-wrongs
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“That’s why we NEED explicit protections for conscience.”

That used to be the First Amendment, which guaranteed us the right to PRACTICE our religions free from government tyranny.

The problem is, we are no longer following the constitution.


59 posted on 03/02/2009 10:16:36 AM PST by keats5
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Step-by-step they have a million ways to turn the screws. That’s why we NEED explicit protections for conscience. It needs to be ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE against health workers who won’t cooperate with abortion - euthanasia -infanticide - suicicde - the many manifestations of the Death Project.

Good post. Last year we went through the Holocaust Museum in DC. I remember a certain exhibit making an impression on me, and that was the one where they talked about the doctor’s role. They were convinced of and told to practice ‘racial hygeine’ and euthanasia of the ‘unfit’ in the name of making their country stronger. They were explicitly brainwashed into thinking that this was their patriotic duty, and of course, only those willing to go along with it were ‘allowed’ to practice due to discrimination and coercions which we will soon see in our country.

I just want everyone to imagine the nightmare a ‘health’ care system in which the ONLY practicioners are people that know ahead of time that they will be expected to, and are accepting of, abortion, euthanasia and denial of care. As of now, there are always some that fit that description, but soon it may be a requirement of the field, so imagine who it will attract and what the implications will be of having these people in charge of your health. Death Project is an apt description, indeed.


63 posted on 03/02/2009 10:33:25 AM PST by usmom
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To: Mrs. Don-o
They just need to say, "Do this or you lose your license. Do this or you lose your job. Do this or you lose your funding. Do this or you'll be sued. Do this or you don't get published. Do this or you lose your certification. Do this or you don't get tenure. Do this or you're demoted. Do this or you're fired.

Step-by-step they have a million ways to turn the screws. That's why we NEED explicit protections for conscience. It needs to be ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE against health workers who won't cooperate with abortion - euthanasia -infanticide - suicicde - the many manifestations of the Death Project.

But isn't it? At the very least, if not illegal, unconstitutional? If a person refuses to cooperate, be it actual performance or assisting the physician or being the post-op nurse, what-have-you, in those practices which violate his conscience or his religious belief, to deny him his living, all those categories you've listed, seems to me to violate his First Amendment rights. I applaud Dr. Coburn for making this stand, public statement and would tend to believe he would be the first doctor to take his case, should it necessitate, all the way to the Supreme Court. This is OUTRAGEOUS (and sadly, no surprise, considering what we all knew would be the fall-out of an 0bama election).

68 posted on 03/02/2009 10:57:30 AM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Do this and you are no longer a Senator?

As God as my witness....I surely hope they go that far.

You know.....much of what is going on reminds me of a couple things.

One being that famous quote from Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after his attack on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."...

The other is the Ents from the Lord of the Rings...by J.R. Tolkien...They were very, very, very slow to become agitated and militant....but in the end they understood that it would be the end of their world, and their lives. And they finally took action......

I can only pray and hope that is how many of the American people will react....

73 posted on 03/02/2009 11:58:42 AM PST by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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