'The Birthers' Continue to Hound Obama

AOL News ^ | Mar 1 09

[Michael Michael]

I did a search to see if I could come up with a source for facts concerning Maya's Indonesian birth registered in Hawaii. All I could find was a mention of it in the original Berg Obama lawsuit with no supporting facts mentioned. May not be true.

Berg was just parroting Techdude's claims (all Berg's suit was was garbage dredged up off the Internet), and of course Techdude was ultimately exposed as a fraud who had fabricated his analysis.

[Michael Michael]

I looks like too many of these lawsuits are trying to put the cart before the horse. Until they can resolve the issue of “standing”, they’re not going anywhere, no matter how well-reasoned the logic.

After Obama was sworn into office on January 20th, all of the lawsuits became moot. Under the Constitution, the only way a sitting President can be removed from office is by impeachment in the House and subsequent conviction in the Senate of bribery, treason, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

[Political Junkie Too]

...no doubt Obama was born in the state.

Clearly, the purpose of these repeated stories is to slowly ratchet up the languange in the denials. Nobody ever said anything about "doubt" before.

It's not about sheeple anymore.. it's about lobsters in a slow boil of rhetoric, not knowing that they're being cooked by slowly changing history.

-PJ

[Michael Michael]

Standing is no longer the problem. Current problem is jurisdiction but that is about to change.

No it isn't. The only jurisdiction now is in the House and the Senate, as per Article II, Section 4.

[Michael Michael]

One of Berg’s list of ‘exhibits’ is Maya’s HI certification of live birth. Berg is smart enough to not release that to the public.

No, that's not one of Berg's exhibits. All Berg did was parrot Techdude's claims in his original filing, and as we all know, Techdude was exposed as a fraud.

Berg subsequently removed any mention of Techdude's claims in his amended complaint (along with his reference to the Canadian birth certificate that was signed by Dudley Doright).

[Michael Michael]

To clarify, are you implying that the State of HI is in the practice of keeping Birth Certificates from other states or even country's on file? Why in the world would they do that? Does any state do that?

Hawaii has a law (HRS 338-17.8) that allows certificates to be issued to children born out of state to parents whose residence is in Hawaii.

However what those who keep yammering about this conveniently leave out is the fact that the statute didn't exist until 1982.

[Michael Michael]

There was a group of anti-Obama researchers in Hawaii who used personal contacts within all the hospitals on the islands there to delve into hospital records. What they discovered was that Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was never a patient at any Hawaiian hospital during all of 1961 and no baby named Barack Hussein Obama had been born there during 1961.

It was nothing but a bunch of unsubstantiated claims posted on the Internet. They never stated who they spoke to so that anyone could verify their claims, so they can essentially claim anything they want to.

[Michael Michael]

“Orly is exactly on the right track”

NONSENSE!

Hey, what do you know! We agree on something! ;)

That woman's just scary crazy. If she's not disbarred or arrested before this is all over, I'll be quite surprised.

[Michael Michael]

Where does Berg say this? It's not on his list of court document that he's filed.

As I said previously, he's just parroting the claims of the long exposed fraud, Techdude.

It's in his original complaint:

The Forensic Expert findings were the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) was in fact a forgery. It was further discovered that this original Certificate of Live Birth which had been altered and forged was issued to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, born in 1970. Maya Kasandra Soetoro is Obama’s half sister who was born in Indonesia and her birth was later registered in Hawaii.

[Michael Michael]

Didn’t Obama talk about visiting his mother in Pakistan while she was working there in the 80’s. She obviously wasn’t travelling on any American passport to be living there at that time.

No, his mother was working in Indonesia, not Pakistan. Obama went to Pakistan with a college friend. And there's absolutely no reason he couldn't have done so with a US passport, as the claim that there was a State Department travel ban for Pakistan was yet another claim that was just made up and passed off as fact.

[Big_Monkey]

"Hawaii has a law (HRS 338-17.8) that allows certificates to be issued to children born out of state to parents whose residence is in Hawaii."

Barack Obama's problems aside, why does the Federal Govt. allow this practice? It seems it undermines the very reason for Birth Certificates.

I wish that a Federal District court would have heard these challenges. Not because I believe it would have impacted Obama's candidacy, but I think the biggest skeptics of this "controversy" would agree that this is an area of US law that needs some clarification by the courts.

[BIGLOOK]

Read more carefully please.

While the date on the CoLB was four days after the alleged event, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was born on August 4th. That date is from the testimony of the mother....and possibly the grandmother but not from the attending physician or a witness to the birth.

I know many 'citizens' who were born abroad, foreign born, who were brought to Hawaii as infants who have a certificate like the one proffered by the Obama shills. They were born in the Philippines or Japan or China....even Portugal, Puerto Rico or Scotland but they have a birth certificate from Hawaii and as such enjoy the benefits of citizenship in the US. But none are 'Natural Born Citizens'; merely the beneficiaries of the state's munificence towards imported labor during the plantation days.

Where Obama was born is unknown....could've been Mombasa or Seattle or someplace else but it wasn't here.

[Michael Michael]

Barack Obama's problems aside, why does the Federal Govt. allow this practice? It seems it undermines the very reason for Birth Certificates.

I don't see any particular problem with it provided the certificate records the actual place of birth, and I rather suspect that is the case. Do you honestly think they would issue a birth certificate for someone born in Nevada and give the place of birth on the certificate as Hawaii?

I wish that a Federal District court would have heard these challenges.

They perhaps would have if someone with standing had brought suit against Obama before the election.

[Michael Michael]

While the date on the CoLB was four days after the alleged event, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was born on August 4th. That date is from the testimony of the mother....and possibly the grandmother but not from the attending physician or a witness to the birth.

And you know the date of birth wasn't from the attending physician or witness to the birth how exactly? Do you have some special knowledge that no one else has?

I know many 'citizens' who were born abroad, foreign born, who were brought to Hawaii as infants who have a certificate like the one proffered by the Obama shills. They were born in the Philippines or Japan or China....even Portugal, Puerto Rico or Scotland but they have a birth certificate from Hawaii and as such enjoy the benefits of citizenship in the US.

Yeah?

Name one. Bring them forward. Let's hear their story. Or better yet, let's hear it from their parents.

[Big_Monkey]

"Do you honestly think they would issue a birth certificate for someone born in Nevada and give the place of birth on the certificate as Hawaii?"

No. That would not seem logical. On the other hand, the statute is very non-specific. And it still leaves the question, "What's the impitous to do it in the first place?

I wish someone, preferably an attorney - maybe a Haiwaiian adoption attorney - who has practical experience on this subject would have commented by now and given a better, more thorough explanation - : Like why does HI do this, what does the Birth Certificate actually say? Does it look the same as someone who was physically born in HI. I've looked everywhere - nothing by anyone of any note or credibility.

I think you can tell from my posts that I give this whole BC issue almost no credibility. But, that doesn't mean I don't have some lingering questions. Unfortunately, the 4th estate, who's suppose to be curious about such things, apparently aren't. So, we're left with the crackpots and freaks to carry the ball. Somewhat sad this hasn't been better clarified in over 230 years.

[Big_Monkey]

"Yes, supposedly they were acquired through FOIA."

Unequivocally impossible to acquire such records through the Freedom of Information Act. Look up the Privacy Act of 1974.

Try to FOIA someone's tax return - after the IRS agent stops laughing, he'll call security.

[little jeremiah]

0bama visited Pakistan twice (at least), once with a couple of college friends, and once visiting his mother who was working in Pakistan; IIRC he stayed about a month, she was, again IIRC, working for the Ford Foundation.

Chief Engineer knows all.

[little jeremiah]

Your kind thinks that if you act like an aggressive a-hole, that makes you right.

Who are you - Rahm the ballerina? Or just typing what he tells you to type? Your comments have his nasty vibe.

[Big_Monkey]

""Yes, supposedly they were acquired through FOIA."

I would add, that Federal Agents can't access those records without a search warrant signed by judge. Sorry!

If such records are floating around (which I highly doubt), someone committed a felony obtaining them. Just ask the two state Department contractors that are still under federal inquiry.

[little jeremiah]

Actually, from what I’ve read, 0bama did not visit India. The city he visited is in Pakistan, IIRC it is Hyderabad, there is one in each country. Perhaps that is the wrong name, but there was a discussion about this quite some time ago.