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To: Non-Sequitur
So then will you accept what I say is Constitutional to be so?

Not necessarily, no.

What I would like however is your own argument. Not some "The Supreme Court says so" or "The Supreme Court doesn't say so" cop-out.

I would have accepted it as a valid decision. I may not have agreed with it. But we're not arguing Supreme Court decisions here, and whether they are correct or not. We're arguing your position as to what constitutes a natural born citizen, and whether it is correct or not. If the Supreme Court ever came down on your side I might disagree with them but I'd accept their decision as binding.

What do you mean we're not arguing Supreme Court decisions here? That's precisely what you tried to make the argument into was one about Supreme Court decisions.

I'll defer to the Supreme Courts interpretation of the Constitution over yours.


It says all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are citizens. It doesn't say only persons born or naturalized.

Yes, it does, as Congress has no constitutional authority regarding citizenship except for Article I, Section 8, Clause 4, however that only has to do with establishing a uniform rule of naturalization.

As for the Fourteenth Amendment, Congress is only given the power to enforce it, and the Fourteenth Amendment establishes no other form of citizenship other than by being born IN the United States or to be naturalized as a citizen.

Sure there is. If Congress passes a law saying that someone born overseas of two U.S. citizen parents is a natural born citizen. As they have done.

Then please cite the relevant portion of the Constitution which empowers Congress to enact such a law.

In this case they have not done so.

Unless you can show me where Congress is empowered by the Constitution to enact such a law, then have indeed attempted to amend the Constitution by way of simple legislation.

So show me.


543 posted on 03/04/2009 11:16:13 AM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Michael Michael
It says all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are citizens. It doesn't say only persons born or naturalized.

a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President” (Article II, Section 1, Clause 4).

Tell us Michael, was Obama a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution?

544 posted on 03/04/2009 1:09:25 PM PST by OafOfOffice (T.A.R.P: Tax All Responsible Peasants!!! T.A.R.P 2: Put Your Head Between Your Knees & KYA G'Bye!)
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