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You are wrong. The truth is, there is no credible evidence that the document posted by Obama is authentic.

The credible evidence of that is the lack of credible evidence that it's anything other than authentic.

If I hand you a $20 bill, and you claim it's counterfeit, but you can't provide any credible evidence that it's counterfeit, then there's no credible reason to believe that it's anything other than a genuine $20 bill.

Furthermore, even if that document is authentic, it does not prove anything, it is entirely possible to get a birth certificate from most states, even if you were not born in that state, under certain circumstances.

And the law that people cite to make that point, didn't exist until 1982. Yet the document shows that his birth was filed by the registrar in 1961.

Also, what was posted was NOT a Birth Certificate, it was a Certificate of Live Birth, which is not a vault copy birth cert copy.

You can't even get this right.

What as posted wasn't a Certificate of Live Birth. A Certificate of Live Birth IS a birth certificate. What was posted was a Certification of Live Birth, which is a certified copy of the birth certificate.

"What as posted wasn't a Certificate of Live Birth. A Certificate of Live Birth IS a birth certificate. What was posted was a Certification of Live Birth, which is a certified copy of the birth certificate" says Michael HUH? "Certificates" perform the function of "Certification" you are playing silly word games. On this matter, you are wrong. Even Fact Check (which I do not trust) shows a document that says "Certification of Live Birth" and "Certificate" on the SAME piece of paper:

Now, a Certified Copy of a Birth Certificate is an actual PHOTOCOPY of the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, certified to be accurate by the proper authority. Such a document are called "Certificate of Live Birth"! I have in my hand my own Birth Certificate. It is titled "Certificate of Live Birth" and it is a PHOTOCOPY of the original, certified as such by my State. So, a "Certificate of Live Birth" is a CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPY of the Original Birth Certificate! (Not an abstract of information drawn off of a database and reprinted.) Now, back to Hawaii: Obama has NOT released a copy of his actual, original, birth documents --- whatever you wish to call them. Why? And, my points concerning what was released, primarily go to the point that such document as was released, even if not altered by the Obama camp, does not prove very much. It is rather easy to generate such documents. That a law was passed AFTER Obama's birth, to allow such production, even if a child was born outside the State, in NO WAY says that such production, of such a document, was not possible BEFORE that date. Obama's grandparents would want Obama to qualify for various things. In State tuition, etc. Nobody knows which hospital Obama was born in. Obama's own records and accounts show two different hospitals. It looks like Obama MIGHT have been born out of the country, and then various relatives did various things to "document" said Birth, without doing a very good job of communicating with each other. It was, to say the least, a very dysfunctional family. It is easy to understand how that might have happened. It does NOT make sense for you to claim that he was DEFINATELY born in Hawaii, when there are conflicting indications on which hospital that birth took place. The ORIGINAL Vault Copy Birth Certificate would probably indicate the hospital, if he was even born in a hospital. Here is the way Berg describes the birth certificate, Certificate of Live Birth issue: ----- "The "COLB" hard facts Hawaii does not issue copies of the Certificate of Live Birth, aka, the traditional, long-form birth certificate. What Hawaii issues in its place is the Certification of Live Birth, aka COLB, that is a short transcript of a person's complete birth record on file -- it is only to be given to the person whose name appears under CHILD'S NAME, or to a member of that person's family, or someone authorized by the person to obtain it. When people hear the word, "form," they typically envision a pre-printed document containing blank areas to be filled in later. In reality, nearly every form is of the "fill in the blank" variety. The COLB form is different in that it is not a pre-printed form at all, but a completely computer-generated graphic that is "redrawn" every time a COLB is requested. Although the exact process for how these COLB forms are completed is not known, I imagine that either a computer operator manually enters the information into the blank areas provided, or a computer program automatically fills in these areas with the appropriate information, such as the child's name, parents' names, parents' race, place of birth, island of birth, and the date/time of birth. Perhaps the most important information written onto the form is the Certificate Number which uniquely identifies the birth record. Regardless of whether a person or computer fills in the "blanks," the information for those blanks come from the same place, a birth record database." ---- So, what was presented was NOT a copy of the original. So, what was presented was certainly NOT a certified copy, of the original. What was presented, if valid, only certifies that there is an original record, on file, which contains much more information.

“What as posted wasn’t a Certificate of Live Birth. A Certificate of Live Birth IS a birth certificate. What was posted was a Certification of Live Birth, which is a certified copy of the birth certificate.”

I’m thinking it shouldn’t be called a “copy” of the birth certificate, because it isn’t identical. I’m not sure what the proper term is, but it’s a short form, an abstract, a summary - but the point is, it only contains partial information of what is on the original BC.

So I don’t believe it’s accurate to call it a “copy”. That really implies it’s the same exact form, just a duplicate. Which, of course, it isn’t.

You can't even get this right.

What as posted wasn't a Certificate of Live Birth. A Certificate of Live Birth IS a birth certificate. What was posted was a Certification of Live Birth, which is a certified copy of the birth certificate.

Pot, Kettle, Black.

You did not get it right either. The Certification is a certified abstract of the information from the original Certificate of Live Birth, not a copy of any original document.

The certification is quicker to obtain, since the original document need not be manually pulled and copied, but rather the data is obtained from a computer database containing the extracted data. However, if it's specifically requested, a certified copy of the Certificate of Live Birth can be obtained. Instances where that is or might be required include for purposes of the Hawaiian Lands program, and for purposes of obtaining a US passport, if the date the certificate was accepted or filed is more than year after the date of birth. (Doesn't apply in this case).