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To: El Gato
"But if the long form birth certificate is for a non hospital birth, with a grandparent as witness, then it may not contain the correct information, with the state being as "hoodwinked" as much as anyone else.

Let's for a moment indulge this line of questioning. Let's stipulate that the "ORIGINAL LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE" indeed indicates that it was NOT a hospital birth. Let's also stipulate that it was not witnessed by a Doctor or other medical personnel and that the only witnesses are the grand parents. Then what?

The burden of proof in a civil court case is not on the respondent, but on the petitioner. Barry doesn't need to "prove" that he was born in HI, but the petitioner needs to prove that he wasn't. Furthermore, the case law is clearly on Barry's side as the copy Obama has provided is well-recognized prima fascia evidence of origin of birth.

Inconsistencies in Barry's biographical story or birth documentation wouldn't be proof of anything with respect to where he was actually born. You might be able to prove he's a liar, but you probably can't prove that his mother and grand parents are liars - And that's the material question, did Barack Obama's mother and Grand Parents lie about where he was actually born. Since you can't question any of them, and clearly nothing but circumstantial (and questionably circumstantial evidence at that) exist to DIRECTLY contradict Obama's story. So, all that is accomplished is the MSM is given substantial ammunition to paint ALL conservative as conspiracy theorists nutbags.

188 posted on 03/01/2009 12:33:48 PM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey

“Furthermore, the case law is clearly on Barry’s side as the copy Obama has provided is well-recognized prima fascia evidence of origin of birth.”

LOL you are wrong.

Have you no shame?? You have a right to your opinion, but you are just making stuff up now.

Obama has not documented his place of birth, in any shape matter or form. He has only documented that he had parents who lived, for a time, in Hawaii.


192 posted on 03/01/2009 1:03:09 PM PST by Kansas58
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