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To: Pacothecat
First of all, I can't stand Arlen Specter. That said,

Are you asking the government to foot your healthcare bills?

Do you think it is a conservative position to force other people to pay for your medical bills?

Do you think that you have a right to force other people to pay your medical bills?

Isn't that socialism?

If you do think you have such a right, do you think it wise public policy that government should forgo basic preventative treatment for children that would affect their lifelong productivity to fund healthcare for the terminally ill?

17 posted on 02/25/2009 12:07:35 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

First of all, I resent having to pay into it, I resent having to do the tax match each time I do payroll. We pay for our own health care and what they don’t cover we pay for. If they leave private doctors and health care alone, fine. They try to socialize our entire health care in this country, I can’t tell you how unacceptable this will be to me. Totally UNACCEPTABLE!
So since we have no choice but to pay into it, as does everyone else, why should those people who did so their entire life and can’t afford insurance when they are elderly, be denied treatment. I’m not talking about someone that is in a permanent comatose state with no chance of survival.


23 posted on 02/25/2009 12:35:20 AM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Do you think that you have a right to force other people to pay your medical bills?
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NO, so stop with the Medicare medicaid deductions from paychecks and stop making businesses match the SS and Med that is deducted from everyone’s gross.
24 posted on 02/25/2009 12:37:46 AM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Medicare is an insurance - one that is mandatory and poorly designed so that only those who are most likely to be very sick sign up, but an insurance. It’s wrong to say that people who use Medicare for their health care expect the government or other people to pay for their medical care. They were made a promise and crippled so that they can’t make any other choice other than to expect the government to make good on the insurance they’ve paid for - at the threat of guns and prisons if they didn’t chip in.

The socialism is the forced enrollment, the diversion of funds that could have been invested and saved - and owned - by the individual earning it. This is true of Social Security as well as Medicare. The ultimate forced dependency on government.

The government makes the rules, and it has turned out that the government is paying these bills, but it didn’t start out that way.

If Congress had kept its hands off the Medicare tax funds from the beginning, the money would have been there for the rest of us. Of course, Social Security and Medicare was taxes were a slush fund that Congress just had to spend - on that “basic health care for children,” for example — rather than save.

The laws have been written so that people who turn 65 are kicked out of their plans and virtually forced into Medicare. At the best, any other insurance from continuing work or a pension becomes a way to pay the copays and extras. At the worst, everyone who gives medical care must treat them and charge them as though they are on Medicare.


33 posted on 02/25/2009 3:47:11 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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