[tpanther]

Obviously their limb is not of no use, as it was naively and ignorantly suggested an intermediate limb would be, it is of use both on the land and in the water.

You're the only one that came up with that useless strawman gem Einstein...I (and metmom) argued that there's no evidence suggesting it's intermediate in the first place, and nooooo, it's not evidence "how they walk on land and swim in water", after all WE use our limbs to walk on land and swim in the water, only the situation is in reverse, we do better our of water, our fingers and toes aren't webbed, etc. etc. etc.But this is certainly not evidence that ba-jillions of years ago we were water dwellers either.

But "no use", "useless"...all your silly constructs and no one elses...for instance, I think it makes a great flipper and is great for swimming.

But it sure doesn't do so good on land for much other than hobbling.

[allmendream]

Sorry but it was and remains a creationist talking point that a limb that transitions from terrestrial to aquatic use would be useless for either far more than it would be useful for both, and it was metmom who originally brought it up, despite her denial and her complaint that my answers tended to make me look smart and educated.

A seal has not gone the ‘full flipper’ route of the dolphin, nor does it have a fully terrestrial leg. A seal has a limb adapted for use on both the land and the ocean.

Obviously the survival of a seal is not detrimentally impacted by it having a limb that is neither fully a flipper of fully a leg. A seals survival is enhanced by it having a limb that is neither fully a flipper or fully a leg.

[metmom]

Do you ever fell like you’re beating your head agaisnt a brick wall when you are trying to convince someone that you didn’t say what they are convinced you said?

Earth to allmendream......

I never said that the limb was USELESS!!!!!! That’s what YOU read into it. You have been informed of that several times and yet persist in believing that’s what I said.

Reread the posts again and see what I said about it’s functionality. I never said that an intermediate limb was useless; I said that it is not very efficient as a fully formed limb for either being a land dweller or a water dweller.

So, since you keep harping on the seals limb being an intermediate limb, what creature is the seal an ancestor of?