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To: GodGunsGuts

How big of a ship would it take, to have room for all known species of animals on board? Two each.

Creation science should answer the questions of how many species, and how big a boat (ship).

Did the technology exist at the time, to build a vessel of whatever size the scientists calculate?

Name the species.

I think my question is very legitimate, from a logical standpoint.


210 posted on 02/20/2009 11:48:06 PM PST by truth_seeker
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Said truth_seeker to GodGunGuts: How big of a ship would it take, to have room for all known species of animals on board? Two each.

Creation science should answer the questions of how many species, and how big a boat (ship).

Did the technology exist at the time, to build a vessel of whatever size the scientists calculate?

Name the species.

I think my question is very legitimate, from a logical standpoint.


That is a logical question, but a little context answers a lot of it. For example, when we ask about the technology, we must remember who the designer was - Gen 6:13 and following: "And God said unto Noah ... Make thee an ark of gopher wood; ..." and God proceeded to give many more details - so the designer was God himself.

And do you remember who closed the door on the arc when Noah and his family and all the animals were inside? Gen 7:16 says that "and the LORD shut him in." -- so God shut the door. Now mind you, isn't that scientifically impossible to say that God did anything since science doesn't say that God exists? I mean, never mind whether it could have floated with the door shut - if God didn't close the door, and the story doesn't record anyone else closing then it's scientifically impossible for it to have floated anyway!

I hope you can see my point - if you look at the story with the assumption that God does not exist and nothing supernatural ever happened, then obviously the story will always be impossible to you!

As to how many animals, keep in mind that any species that can breed with another species and produce offspring (fertile or otherwise) is almost certain (even to a creationist) to share a common ancestor. I mean, even as a Creationist myself, I know without a shadow of a doubt that, for example, the teeny pocket-poodle is related to the great Dane. And that's after only what, 150 years of dogbreeding? And compare the tiniest horsey which is smaller then the biggest dog, to the biggest horse which is a huge draft horse. See a cute comparison pictures at bottom of this post

So you can see then that hundreds of dog breeds would be just a single pair of dogs. Since zebra and horse can interbreed and produce (generally infertile) offspring, horses and zebras would have been another pair. Don't think that all hundred subspecies that we have now would had to have been saved on the ark to save, for example, dogs.

So while we don't know exactly what the kinds of animals were, we can still see that the ark wouldn't have had to hold all the gazillions of subspecies we have now. And just how many truly unique big animal types are there? Cats, dogs, horses, oxen, buffalo, giraffe, elephant, elk, and so on - even if I've only listed 10% of them, still, the majority of major kinds are small. So it's really not the correct question to ask "How big of a ship would it take to have room for all known species of animals onboard, two each " because not all known species existed then, and even then all variations within a kind didn't need to be saved.

By the way, I should mention -- while I believe that God did create the world in 6 days per the Genesis account, it just so happens that I wasn't there at the time. And while the creation story makes the most sense to me, it is ultimately a matter of faith - because I was not there and did not see it myself -- just like nobody was there when [if] the big bang took place, or when the first life form sprang into being, etc.

So let me ask you a logical question: What about the big bang? Do you really believe that there was nothing, and then the vacuum fluctuated? Since vacuum is empty space without anything in it, how could the vacuum fluctuate when there was nothing to fill in the void thus reducing the vacuum? And what about the issue of something having come from nothing? Do you really believe that? You sure can't know it.

The big bang theory violates many known laws of physics, was not seen by anybody, and has not been proven to even be possible much less to have happened - and yet it is taught in schools across the country as scientifically valid.

Does that too raise questions in your mind?

And what about that transition from non-life to life? Again, never ever been demonstrated to be possible under natural conditions, and yet it is taught across the country.

Now I grew up on a small family farm - so I well know that when a cow gives birth to a calf, it's not an exact copy of either of its parents - in other words, there's a slight change in DNA makeup - in other words evolution. So that's the kind of evolution I've seen and know exists. The other kind of evolution, which I have not seen and do not know exists, is that which says that a dog and a cow are related.

So I have been long asking "What must I do to know for myself that ASBE (All Species By Evolution) is true without having to rely purely on faith in other people about things I have never seen." And so far nobody has been able to show me.

You see, I work in the field of electronics where if I doubt a claim, I can generally just go test it. If I tell you that a transistor behaves in a certain way and you don't believe me, I can just show you. And if you too wanted to personally know how a transistor behaves under different circumstances, I could lay out a series of material for you to study and at the end you'd be able to know for yourself and demonstrate for others how a transistor behaves - without having to reply on faith in anything.

But the "science" of evolution (the kind I haven't seen) is not like that - at best, I could only believe it as a faith - I cannot know it. And that, my friend, sure sounds like religion to me.

Have a wonderful day,

-Jesse
221 posted on 02/21/2009 10:54:56 PM PST by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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