Court Allows Oklahoma Workers to Have Guns in Vehicles

The Oklahoman ^ | February 19, 2009 | ROBERT E. BOCZKIEWICZ

[ScreamingFist]

Why should that make a difference? My property, my rules, regardless of liability.

Disgruntled workers who shoot people in the workplace are going to do so no matter what laws are on the books. Why should it matter to my employer what is locked in my car?

[qam1]

Replace “right to self-defense” with “Affirmative Action quotas” which could just as easily be mandated by the government and you will see what's wrong with that idea.

[cashion]

Being the company paid for the parking lot and pays taxes and insurance on it, it's theirs and they should be allowed to enforce whatever policy right or wrong, they feel.

Nobody forced you as a business owner to provide a parking lot that would hold your employee's personal vehicles. If you don't like what is in their personal vehicles, don't provide a parking lot.

[GovernmentShrinker]

The speech issue is different, because restricting speech ON employer property does not have the side effect of restricting speech OFF employer property. Employees who wish to express themselves with slogans on their cars can do so with removable stickers or magnetic signs, which they can remove and conceal in their cars just before entering the employer’s property, and put back on right after they leave.

[absolootezer0]

Being the company paid for the parking lot and pays taxes and insurance on it, it's theirs and they should be allowed to enforce whatever policy right or wrong, they feel.

being that i paid for my car, taxes, insurance.. blah blah blah. its a neverending debate. that's why i say park on the street or in a public lot. then they can't say anything.

one other thing that's a little off to the side, but vaguely relevant; if something happens to my vehicle on their property, is the company responsible?

[Labyrinthos]

Disgruntled workers who shoot people in the workplace are going to do so no matter what laws are on the books. Why should it matter to my employer what is locked in my car?

That's not the point. I own the business, I pay your salary, I have the right to make work rules no matter how ridiculous they may seem.

[TYVets]

Now the employees in Oklahoma will have the right to protect themselves while driving to and from work again.

Next chapter,,,,, will Phillips-Conoco and others appeal this decision?

[ScreamingFist]

I worked for an apartment management company, the employee handbook stated "No Firearms on company property". However, the residents of the apartments were free to keep firearms in their cars and apartment.....hunting season looked like something out of Red Dawn. Yet I, as an employee, could be fired for a pistol locked in my trunk.

This ruling does away with that type of silly double standard.

[TYVets]

I own the business, I pay your salary, I have the right to make work rules no matter how ridiculous they may seem.

Your property line ends at my tires.

[Vaquero]

Bull$h!t.

Your car is your property. If you are required to park on company property, you do not give up the rights that your car and whats in it, is your private property.

Unless your an Obama-ite.

[William Tell]

qam1 said: Replace “right to self-defense” with “Affirmative Action quotas” which could just as easily be mandated by the government and you will see what's wrong with that idea.

One can certainly argue the wisdom of any particular constraint on the behavior of corporations. But I don't think it can be argued that corporations have a right to exist or a right to anything whatever. Corporations are a completely man-made concept and were invented for the public good of encouraging business activity.

I see no reason whatever to limit the public good to only those issues that appeal to liberals, such as the double taxation of corporate earnings.

[Ratman83]

Do you feel that you would be responsible for you employees safety, to and from work and also at work.

[neverdem]

I can’t prove it but I suspect that people claimed the right to property long before “The State” came to be.

The "law of the jungle" did prevail before the state came into existence. Humans are social creatures who defended territory as well as expanded what they held.

Refer to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The state is supposed to protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness according to the Declaration of Independence, although that is recognized only in a general sense, i.e. it can't protect everybody all of the time. The Second Amendment of the Constitution recognizes your right to protect yourself and your property. The British Bill of Rights, from which the the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights was derived, evolved from common law, an invention of the state so disputes between various parties might not become violent.

[jan in Colorado]

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[wolfcreek]

This is a big step up from ripping testicles. Good to see!

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[ScreamingFist]

That's not the point. I own the business, I pay your salary, I have the right to make work rules no matter how ridiculous they may seem.

Indeed sir. And If I worked for you, I would respect your rules. If I was disarmed and murdered on the way home from work.....no skin off your back. You have no liability either way.

I guess it never occurred to you that those "ridiculous rules" might have consequences....

[pleikumud]

If the 1st Amendment were treated the same as the 2nd Amendment, there would be a 3 day waiting period for journalists to print editorials and the stuff they call “news”; journalists would be subject to background checks before they can write; and the size of newspapers would be limited to 15 pages (good bye to the Sunday Times).

The founders obviously thought the right to keep and bear arms is important. After all, it IS the Second Amendment, not the 10th, etc. Everyone who is eligible should buy a gun and learn how to use it. Those who already own a gun -— buy a couple more and extra ammunition. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, per the 2nd amendment, but various state and local laws already violate the 2nd amendment and should be reversed.

The DemoSocialist oppose the 2nd Amendment. So would Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Lenin, Castro ..... to name a few other tyrants and dictators.

[Red in Blue PA]

So my vehicle is now your property because I am on it?

[Red in Blue PA]

“My property, my business, my rules”.......”I do prohibit smoking”

Does this mean your workers cannot have a pack of cigarettes in their car????

[oyez]

We need this in Tennessee.

My coworkers and I have to drive through a rough area to get to work, but the company says no to cold steel and lead..

Probably the only serious disagreement I have with the management.