Posted on 02/15/2009 3:16:13 PM PST by PAR35
The sound was created by the debris as it came down through the atmosphere. It took that long for the orbit's low point to get down to the top of the atmosphere. The fragments didn't just drop out of the sky, they went round and round, getting lower as they went.
True however what was probably heard were the sonic booms after debris did enter the atmosphere. This occured when the space shuttle broke up during reentry. I personally heard about a half dozen booms that shook the ground during that event.
Or even small pieces. Even a wave of vaporized stuff might make some noise, when it hit your ship.
Sure both birds were in polar orbit, IOW, going north to south or south to north. At 17,000 mph, it doesn't take long to get from Nebraska to North Texas. Plus at say 50 miles or so up, the event would be viewable from over 600 miles. It's not much farther than that from southern Nebraska to northTexas, (I know, I drive it at least once a year, more often of late). Even if only at 30 miles, the event would be visible at around 485 miles, so if it occurred over somewhere around Witchita, it could be seen in both the south side of North Texas (Hill county) and central Nebraska. But that's a bit of simplification, since "the event" doesn't take place in a single place, but along a track.
Now I really wish I'd been outside, I'm only 50 or miles south and a bit west of you.
Actually I may have heard it even inside, but living near Ft. Hood as I do, I'm used to strange booms, night and day, some of which rattle the windows. But I'd like to have seen it too.
True. In space, nobody can hear you explode. But they can hear you re-enter the atmosphere.
Was going to try and post this to private and then to ask you for an email to attach it to . . .
however, others may be interested though it’s an aside on this thread—won’t distract much from those who know how to use a scroll button. LOL.
Amy’s Sugar Gem really is a sugar gem.
These are a collection of my favorites.
The “black varieties” are actually purple and have a wonderfully rich complex flavor. They and the super sweets are probably my favorites.
Amy’s sugar gem and the other super sweet are really sweet. Sometimes almost like cherries.
The tiny Hawaiian Currants—the size of green peas are great flavored but take a lot of tedious picking! LOL.
The rest are more normal tasting but good in their own right when ripe on the vine.
Blue Fruit
Fruit from this potato-leaf variety is 2 to 3”, round, purple-gray with rich sweet flavors.
Great White
A large white beefsteak heirloom with a wonderfully sweet almost melon-like flavor.
White Beauty
Slightly flattened, round tomato 6-8 oz. The fruit is creamy white on the inside and outside. Fruit has a luscious sweetness with enough acid balance to keep taste from being wimpy like many others of this color.
Long Keeper-Tomato Seeds
This one is an odd bird. Left on the vine—seems not to ripen. Keeps so far a long time on the table—probably in fridge. Not sure I’ve had it at it’s best flavor yet as have only gotten it ‘ripened’ in the greenhouse.
Best planted in early summer for late harvest. Hearty plant produces huge amounts of 6 oz., round fruits. Popular for it’s good taste and long storage ability. Because of slow-ripening qualities fruits become ripe1-3 months after harvesting. If picked in late fall, after fruit reaches a pale pink blush, unblemished fruit that is stored without touching, at around 65 degrees, can last for 4 months. Light orange-red color when ripe, with pink flesh.
Super Snow White-Tomato Seeds
Very sweet, 2 oz., ivory-colored tomatoes, larger than Snow White, but similar in taste. They ripen to reach almost the size of ping pong balls. These tomatoes are perfect for cutting in half to expose the beautiful interior and serving in salads.
Anahu
From Hawaii. This is a very productive variety that produces 2 to 3-inch, round, red fruit with very sweet flavors. A good choice for hot & humid climates.
Amish Red
A wonderful tomato! Our tomatofest organic tomato seeds produce tall, indeterminate, regular-leaf tomato plants that yield an abundant crop of meaty, 1 1/2-inch long, oblong-shaped, bright-red tomatoes with sharply-pointed end. (The same shape and flavor as Amish Gold but red. The two together are like brother and sister.) The is small tomato packs a wallop of delicious, sweet flavors with a slightly tart finish. A great patio or small garden tomato. Grows well in cooler, coastal regions. Perfect as a salad tomato or in a bowl for snacking. for Tomatofest is one of the very few sources for these rare tomato seeds.
Power’s Heirloom
Although this variety is technically a paste tomato, it’s great flavor and attractiveness encouraged me to include this variety within the yellow/orange category as well. This heirloom variety produces abundant amounts of pale white-yellow, oblong juicy fruits, 3 to 5-ounce, and great fruity flavor.
Hawaiian Pineapple-Tomato Seeds
This one I haven’t had yet in the summer. Was a decent interesting fruit in my passive solar raised tomato bed. but I haven’t tasted the pineapple flavor yet.
A large, golden-orange beefsteak with fruit that that grows up to 1-1/2 lbs. When fruit is ripe it has a lucious, very rich, sweet pineapple like flavor.
Wapsipinicon Peach
From Dennis Schlicht. Named after the Wapsipinicon River in Northeast Iowa. Similar to Peche Jaune. Our TomatoFest organic tomato seeds produce indeterminate, regular-leaf wispy, tomato plants that yield a tremendous amount (thousands) of 1 1/2 to 2-inch, delicate, fuzzy-like-a-peach, pale-yellow (with a tinges of pink), juicy, tomatoes with wonderful, slightly-spicy, very fruity-sweet flavors. Harvest is good all the way to frost. A novelty tomato that is sooo sweet, it begs for eating right off the vine. A Gary Ibsen ‘personal favorite.’ They won’t be able to keep from smiling after tasting this!
Black Crimson Heirloom Tomato
(aka Black Krim and Black Crim) Originally from the Isle of Krim on the Black Sea in the former Soviet Union. This rare, and outstanding tomato yields 3-4” slightly flattened dark-red (mahogany-colored) slightly maroon, beefsteak tomatoes with deep green shoulders. Green gel around seeds. Fantastic, intense, slightly salty taste (which is great for those not wanting to add salt to their tomatoes).
One of my best black tomatoes. Also suitable for container/patio garden. Perfect choice for slicing, salads and cooking.
Ghost Cherry
Prolific large, 1-1 1/2”, white cherry tomato. Vey sweet.
Red Fig
The Red Fig tomatoes have been grown in America since the 18th century. The Red Fig is an heirloom tomato named for a sweet delicacy that was made with this tomato and popular in the mid 1800s. Historically they were dried and packed away for winter use in substitute of figs. Our TomatoFest organic tomato seeds produce big leafy, indeterminate, regular-leaf tomato plants that yield hundreds of 1 1/2-inch, pear-shaped, bright-red cherry tomatoes that have wonderful, delicious, sweet flavors with a very sweet skin, making this a delightful snacking tomato. Red Fig is a tasty and colorful complement to Beam’s Yellow Pear. A perfect choice to serve in a tomato salad or as a tasty decoration to culinary creations and to use for making a delicious tomato chutney.
To make the “figs,” boiling water was poured over the tomatoes to remove the skins and then the skinless tomatoes were placed in a stone jar with equal parts sugar to tomatoes. The resulting syrup was then removed from the jar and boiled and skimmed. The process was repeated over two days, with intervals of cooling. Finally, the tomatoes were dried in the sun for about a week at which point they were packed in small wooden boxes, with fine, white sugar between every layer. Tomatoes prepared in this manner were said to keep for years. (Note: A great 1840s family recipe is available in Heirloom Vegetable Gardening by William Woys Weaver.) Rare tomato seeds.
Black Prince-Tomato Seeds
Originally from Siberia, this is one of the most popular and favored black tomatoes. Originally introduced from Irkutsk, Russia and is regarded as a “true Siberian tomato” that does very well in cooler climates. Until only recently this was considered a rare variety in the United States. However, it’s popularity has grown so much in Russia that there is now a company in Volograd that is producing an extract of the Black Prince called “Black Prince Tomato Oil.” The Black Prince tomato is said to have considerable health benefits beyond the presence of lycopene.
These deep garnet round, 2-inch (2-3 oz.) tomatoes are full of juice and incredibly rich fruity flavors. This is a tomato that chefs I deliver to rave about for it’s rich flavors. The small fruits contain deep rich colors on the inside. Perfect for patio gardens. Perfect for eating fresh, and in cooking in tomato sauce or other culinary wonders.
Black Cherry-Tomato Seeds
A tall, vigorous plant that produces abundant crops of 1”, deep mahogany-brown fruits. The only round, truly black cherry we’ve found. Fruits are irresistibly delicious with sweet, complex, full flavors, characteristic of the “blacks.” Beautiful to mix with other cherries.
Angora Super Sweet-Tomato Seeds
A very productive plant with fuzzy turquoise to blue-grey colored leaves. A 1-inch, super-sweet cherry developed by Joe Bratka.
Amy’s Sugar Gem
A huge sprawling plant producing heavily laden clusters of golf ball sized, red fruit. Sweet! “Candy-on-the-vine,” not to be missed!
Hawaiian Currant-Tomato Seeds
A sweet red, pea-sized currant that holds fruit on clusters until all are ripe. A very sweet...very tasty treat.
Mandarin Cross (OP)
Wonderful plant from Japan producing 6-10 oz., orange, round fruit with sweet (low-acid) flavors. I de-hybridized this variety over 7 years of my growing it out. A winner!!
Please, you are dealing with a CBS affiliate. Do you actually expect logical, rational and truthful reporting from the Communist Broadcasting System?
Besides that, these assholes don’t know physics from physicians.
EARLY GIRL and cherry tomatoes. Plow the rest under.
I have heard some reports of “meteors” and explosions tonite in our area in S.C. Missouri. Around 7 pm CST (not on the news but just from locals & neighbors)
Could be nothing, though. Maybe a meth lab blowing up.
I didn’t hear a thing.
“Imagine you are inside a spacecraft watching a battle. Things are blowing up all over the place. Large piece smack into your hullplating. You hear the sound.”
Thats because there is air inside the spacecraft for the sound waves to travel through.
Have you tasted the purple ones?
The sugar gems?
Early Girl’s are OK. But not near as special as several of the varieties I listed.
thanks ApplegateRanch:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2186547/posts?page=13#13
[snip] What you just saw was not satellite debris. The high speed of the fireball in the News 8 video is typical of a natural meteoroid hitting Earth’s atmosphere at tens of km/s. [end]
All I can find is that the collision was between an American communications satellite owned by the Iridium network and a no-longer-functioning Russian communications satellite.
The Iridium system was developed by Motorola in the early 90s. The name was chosen from the # of satellites which is the same as Iridium's number in the periodic table. Cell phones were in their youth then. The idea was to provide worldwide coverage, especially to the third world which has little or no land line coverage. Motorola spent $4B and the system didn't sell because the cost was $9 (in 90s $)per minute or so. Very few third world customers. Motorola gave up on it and sold it to a Saudi for $150M. Thus as far as I know, it is not a commercial US system anymore. I suspect that Bin Laden and the US military have been/are its biggest customers. At one time it was thought that the Saudi buying the system was one of the Bin Laden brothers, but I don't think that is true.
Before the sale of the system, Motorola asked for and received permission to deorbit the satellites. I think they may have deorbited some of them.
A number of the Iridium satellites were orbited by the Chinese using the technology given them by Clinton. They underbid the US orbiting industry.
The Iridium satellites produce predictable Iridium flares, sun reflections from the solar cells, which are visible along relatively narrow paths on the surface of the earth. They can be a up to a intensity of -8. Only last for a few seconds & you have to know where to look. http://www.heavens-above.com/ will lead you there.
Thanks for the background and clearing up the ownership issue.
You added a lot more to the background than just who owned it.
My understanding was that our military is a current customer, but from what I read it is not a primary system.
Just hours before the Kentucky event, around 20:03 UT on Feb. 13th, multiple cameras in Italy recorded a fireball some 10 times brighter than a full Moon. Astronomer Diego Valeri sends this image from the town of Rieti:
Ferruccio Zanotti of Ferrara, Italy, recorded that same fireball and two others. Italian scientists are plotting the trajectory of the brightest fireball to estimate where it might have hit the ground; a meteorite hunt will soon be underway.
Although it is tempting to attribute the Kentucky and Italian fireballs to debris from the Feb. 10th collision of the Iridium 33 and Kosmos 2251 satellites, they also seem to be meteoroids, not manmade objects.
Are we experiencing a “fireball shower?” Not necessarily. Meteoroids hit Earth every day. The daily fireballs they produce, however, are seldom reported: 70% streak over uninhabited ocean; half appear in glaring daylight; many are missed because people are asleep, at work, or not looking up. This current spate of fireballs could simply be a few ordinary, random meteoroids that have attracted extraordinary attention because of the recent satellite collision. The jury is
Nope, that’s from California. In Texas, they end up as smoking ruins.
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