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Obama Will Ration Your Health Care
Wall Street Journal ^ | 02/11/2009 | EagleUSA

Posted on 02/11/2009 8:12:36 AM PST by EagleUSA

People are policy. And now that President-elect Barack Obama has fielded his team of Tom Daschle as secretary of Health and Human Services and Melody Barnes as director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, we can predict both the strategy and substance of the new administration's health-care reform.

The prognosis is not good for patients, physicians or taxpayers. If Mr. Daschle meant what he wrote in his book "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis," Americans can expect a quick, hard push to build more federal bureaucracy, impose price controls, restrict medicines and technology, boost taxes, mandate the purchase of health insurance, and expand government health care.

In his book, Mr. Daschle proposes a National Health Board to regulate the way health care is provided. This board would have vast powers in regulating the massive federal health-care system -- a system that includes Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs. Under Mr. Obama, it is likely that that system will be expanded and that new government insurance for the nonelderly, nonpoor will be created.

Given the opportunity, Mr. Daschle would likely charge the board with determining which treatments and drugs are cost effective and therefore permissible to use for patients covered by the government. And because the government is such a big player in the health-care market (46% of health-care spending comes from the government), the board would effectively set parameters for private insurers.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: disaster; healthcare; rationing; socialist
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To: EagleUSA
I really hope and pray that the idiots that voted for this fool and his commie friends know what they have coming..Good way to get rid of low income people..Isn't that what Hitler did?He got rid of the sick and old people and all the Jews he could..Well history will soon repeat itself here,if this bill goes through
21 posted on 02/11/2009 8:36:08 AM PST by PLD
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To: digger48

It’s my understanding that in Tommy’s Tome, he also suggested quietly sneaking it into a large spending Bill to get it passed.
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Yes, he cited this failure by the Clinton mob as to why they got beaten on the issue. It is far more than just a different way to handle medicine — it is a PLOT AGAINST THE PEOPLE. Obviously, from reading Dash-holes’ book.


22 posted on 02/11/2009 8:38:12 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA
My general practitioner and my wife's OB/GYN have told us they are both retiring when Socialized medicine goes in........
23 posted on 02/11/2009 8:39:31 AM PST by Sybeck1 (WHITE AND EMBRACING WHAT IS RIGHT!!!!!!)
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To: rwfromkansas

I don’t agree, when the article was written he was the pick. That he is also a tax cheat is why his in not now, not based on his views on this topic.


24 posted on 02/11/2009 8:40:13 AM PST by fml
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To: EagleUSA

**Hawaii Ending Universal Child Health Care After 7 Mos. **

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,439607,00.html

“A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.”

Who didn’t know that would happen?


25 posted on 02/11/2009 8:42:56 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Sybeck1

My general practitioner and my wife’s OB/GYN have told us they are both retiring when Socialized medicine goes in........
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I am seeing my GP today — gonna ask him his take on this horror story. Would not surprise me if he retired too since he is my age and I just retired. Just take a look at what the Canadians face with their socialized medicine -— untold delays or rejections with many coming to the USA for proper medical care. And where do we go -— an airplane flight to Australia for an office call ???


26 posted on 02/11/2009 8:44:42 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA
After I learned about the STEALH CARE provisions I am sending the following to each senator I understand if you ignore this thread:
 
 
VOTE NO on THE STIMULUS BILL
 

This bill has enormous long-term implications for your family, their privacy, the amount and quality of health care they will receive.  Healthcare decisions are a personal matter and sharing this information with anyone other than those directly involved in improving your condition is unacceptable. 

 

This bill will affect every individual including your family (sections 445, 454, 479).  Their medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

 

However, this bill goes too far.  As I understand it, a new bureaucracy will be created called the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology.  They will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” a physicians decisions (442, 446).  Doctors will no longer have autonomy in their decisions to provide care based on their special knowledge of patients.

 

The goal of the bill is to provide standardized care.  In other words deliver only as much care as what the government has deemed is an average based on charts and figures.

 

I assure you, as one who had an operation that was complicated by a mistake the surgeon made, that I did not fall into an average or mean for recovery.  I was to have healed completely from this operation in 6 weeks.  However, the pain persisted for nearly two years before subsiding enough that I could again work out and return to my active lifestyle.  While I was relatively young and had a lot of strength internally, there are many who would have given up entirely.  These people will need access to medical care and medication that enables them to lead a normal life.  Perhaps not without the pain but with the tools that can help them cope with the pain and make it not a primary thought as they go through the day but just something they have to deal with, using the tools at hand.

 

To give you an idea of what standardized care is I was complaining about the pain for months after the surgery and looking for solutions.  The surgeon, who performed the operation, had no idea why I was in pain and offered zero solutions that would help me manage the pain. 

 

What he did offer me was an insult and said “You are a wimp.  There is nothing wrong with you.  As a wimp you have made this up in your head”

 

I was angry at that response to say the least as I was only looking for something that would allow me to return to working out, hiking, skating and playing the many other sports I had previously enjoyed.

 

I did not return back to my active lifestyle until finding a new doctor who did indeed provide the tools that help me to manage the pain and I am today active once again.

 

This bill would make that situation worse and untenable for some people.  The government would conclude, much like an HMO that I should be healed according to some average mean, and no further treatment is necessary.

 

What the government will do is enforce uniformity as far as medical care goes.

 

In fact, my doctor, whom I have chosen and pay out my own pocket, because I don’t want anyone making decisions for me, would be subject to penalties that would discourage him from helping me.

 

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

 

What penalties will this bureaurocrat impose on my doctor should he exceed government mandated protocols for my condition which is atypical?  What if I require or decide that experimental treatment is a last option?  What will be the impact on your family member?  How will you feel when they are denied care?  Will you want the option to do anything to relieve the suffering your loved one is enduring?

 

This bill creates something called the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (sections190-192).  With the goal being to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs.  

 

I understand that this idea is based on Europeans as being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” but that, senator, has been tried before and it is called “eugenics”.  Will the US government provide the same medical care as the Nazi regimes of Germany and Italy?  I thought the character of our nation was better than reducing a human life to a commodity based on some chart.  Each and every life has value no matter the condition or age.  I am sure their families and yours would agree.

 

This legislation will affect you and your family, as well, me and my family.  The end results of this legislation will not be freedom, choice and individualized care. The end result will be a bureaucrat deciding who should and should not receive care, how and when they should receive care and what care the person should receive.

 

This person or persons has no stake in the outcome of your life or your loved one but they will control what and how much healthcare you receive in direct contravention to your wishes or unique circumstance.

 

Surely there are members of your family whom you would like to receive the best care possible and not some basic minimum health care that may not apply to their unique situation.  Will you want them to be told no and turned away with no means to seek alternatives?

 

Will your grandmother or you at the age of 96, after breaking a hip, be told that you have lived out your useful days and the actuaries have determined you will live only another year?  What if you had a hip replacement and three years later you are still alive and walking?  Would you want to live or be relegated to a chair or bed because someone has determined you, a human being, are no longer relevant to society?

 

I am not talking about a hypothetical here I am talking about a close friend whom I love and admire.  She broke her hip at 96 and today using a walker leads a full life much as she did before. 

 

Would you want to walk again, even it meant you might have some assistance with the use of a walker or cane?  If you were 96 would you want the chance and opportunities that today’s science and medical care can deliver?  What if this was a family member?

 

I am sure you would want the very best medical care delivered to you and your loved ones, as do I.

 

This bill was cobbled together with ideas that have been proposed legislation as legislation that would deny you, me and our loved ones the care we choose.

 

I urge you, VOTE NO on THE STIMULUS BILL. 

 
 

27 posted on 02/11/2009 9:15:43 AM PST by Vendome
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To: Vendome

Since members of Congress are exempt from the provisions of the bill, I am not sure this approach will impress Senators, but maybe it will.


28 posted on 02/11/2009 9:45:36 AM PST by jabchae
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To: jabchae
"Since members of Congress are exempt from the provisions of the bill..."

They won't be the only ones. A two-tier system will develop, just as it has elsewhere, eg. Britain. So the high-end campaign contributors and supporters will continue to have the same access. And guess what? When the vast majority of Americans find they have inadequate access to health care, Obama and company will have already supplied them with a demon to blame. Whether it's "corporate greed," or "8 years of Republican mischief," or any of the other bugaboos the left is so fond of shifting the blame to, the majority will believe them and the mass media will help them to believe it.

29 posted on 02/11/2009 10:44:00 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: EagleUSA
What about children born with severe handicaps ...would Obama Care mandate they be allowed to die without any life saving treatment? What about patients in institutionalized care due to handicaps ...would they be denied treatments because they cost too much? Perhaps Tom Daschle could produce a new version of the Nazi propaganda film Life Without Life which justified denying treatment of the handicapped and ultimately euthanizing them because it cost the Reich too much money for their care.
30 posted on 02/11/2009 11:01:30 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: EagleUSA

A couple of years ago I was appaled to here some discussion on NPR about what it would be like when we have socialized medicine. And this one guy was like “we have to make decisions on where our limited resources go” and so that “not everyone should receive expensive care” like older people and the like.

I find that frightening that a beurocrat would be making life or death decisions like that. The free market isn’t perfect but it’s best.


31 posted on 02/11/2009 11:04:24 AM PST by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: Free Descendant

I find that frightening that a beurocrat would be making life or death decisions like that. The free market isn’t perfect but it’s best.
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Socialists do not care who lives or dies. It is all about socialist POWER AND CONTROL. That is all that matters to them — and socialized medicine is one of the biggest industries in America they want to bring down and control.


32 posted on 02/11/2009 11:07:16 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

“The government pays doctors to treat Medicare and Medicaid patients. But the rates it pays, on average, are less than the cost for providing care to these patients. This is why Medicaid patients, and increasingly Medicare patients, struggle to find doctors. Putting more people on these programs will destabilize the remaining private system and create a coalition for price and wage controls.”

WRONG.

UHC which has been allowed to merge and thus controls a huge percent of the market, pays LESS than half what Medicare pays for the same visit.

The private system is ripping off the government. Think Wall Street without supervision.


33 posted on 02/12/2009 9:18:50 AM PST by dervish (speechless, tagless, sick over porkulus)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...
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34 posted on 02/12/2009 12:22:14 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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