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To: Michael Michael
And the only time they spoke of that was with regard to Indians.

Bullsh*t.

They spoke about "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." within the context of the of the 14th Amendment. That Amendment begins the the words, "All persons...".

"All persons..." encompasses foreign nationals/immigrants.

Again,Senator Trumball specifically said,

"The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Foreign allegiance on the part of immigrants is something that has always been recognized by our laws and lawmakers. That is precisely why every immigrant that becomes a fully naturalized citizen is legally required to renounce all allegiances to their country of origin and its government as part of their Citizenship oath.

466 posted on 02/13/2009 7:26:39 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Again,Senator Trumball specifically said,

Yes, he said that in the context of Indians. That's what they were arguing about, in response to the proposal that "excluding Indians not taxed" be included in the citizenship clause.

At no time does anyone say that a child born to non-citizen parents is someone owing allegiance to anybody else. And when he speaks of not owing allegiance to anybody else, he is saying it in the context of Indians, who were a completely different class of people than the children of non-citizen parents.


467 posted on 02/13/2009 10:12:53 PM PST by Michael Michael
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