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To: Michael Michael
Yes, it is self-evident that he was referring to those children born to ambassadors and diplomats.

You better read it out loud, in context, starting about 15 to 20 lines above the statement Howard is listing who is not citizens. Remember to pause between the commas.

The words 'foreigners' and 'aliens' does not modify the following clause that contains the words ambassadors and ministers.

413 posted on 02/11/2009 10:00:27 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
You better read it out loud, in context, starting about 15 to 20 lines above the statement Howard is listing who is not citizens. Remember to pause between the commas.

I have.

The words 'foreigners' and 'aliens' does not modify the following clause that contains the words ambassadors and ministers.

You're right. It's just the opposite. "Embassadors and foreign ministers" modifies "foreigners, aliens."

It does not include those born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens.

What foreigners, aliens?

Those who belong to the families of embassadors and foreign ministers.

Anyway, I've had enough of your word games. We don't have to parse sentences. We have the following fact about which you persist in obfuscating.

Just after Howard introduces the citizenship clause, Senator Cowan asks Howard specifically what citizenship means. And specifically asks if the child born to non-citizen Chinese immigrants in California are to be citizens of the United States.

Senator Howard does not reply. Instead Senator Conness of California does, and declares that children born to non-citizen Chinese immigrants in California are indeed to be considered citizens of the United States.

Senator Howard is the next to speak after Conness.

Does he offer any objection to Conness' declaration that the children of non-citizen Chinese in California be considered citizens of the United States, and not "foreigners, aliens" as you claim Howard intends in his statement?

If Howard had intended as such, he most certainly would have objected and set Senator Conness straight. However he did not. Nor did any other Senator. Howard simply notes a typo in the amendment.

The debate then became centered exclusively on Indians, in response to Senator Doolittle's proposal that "excluding Indians not taxed" be added to the citizenship clause.


422 posted on 02/11/2009 10:52:15 PM PST by Michael Michael
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