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Lawmaker says he wants to reclaim Utah lands ( Sagebrush Rebellion )
abc 4 ^ | February 8, 2009

Posted on 02/08/2009 6:54:41 PM PST by george76

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To: george76

They new guys in DC suspended the leases.

The real question here is why. This is to reduce our oil production to put us at the mercy of those who funded his campaign. (foreign)

Bill Clinton did the same thing with Coal reserves. For the same reason, he was paid-off.

These lefties intend to make us all Dhemi’s, and subjects of a world government. I will draw my last breath opposing this.


21 posted on 02/08/2009 7:17:23 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj

Is Karl Malone a Republican?


22 posted on 02/08/2009 7:19:27 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping.


23 posted on 02/08/2009 7:20:13 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: george76

Yes, they did it by using the fed’s own laws.

They enacted their own local enviornmental laws and forced the Forest Service to abide by them. The courts upheld the local enviro laws.

How is that for a bunch of thinking ranchers.


24 posted on 02/08/2009 7:20:38 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and environmental activist Tim DeChristopher are part of the problem.

It will get much worse, soon.


25 posted on 02/08/2009 7:21:15 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The whole cabinet is like that.

I give it 6 months before he totally flames out.

Or if he tries the open gun grab, it will flame-up.

And no fireman will be able to put it out.


26 posted on 02/08/2009 7:24:04 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Frantzie

Yes, we like it here. Y’all can admire us from a distance, OK? We have plenty of move-ins as it is. :o)


27 posted on 02/08/2009 7:25:33 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (B.O. ? BOHICA!!!)
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To: george76

Its the same in California.

The feds are trying to close all roads and trails in the Sierra forests. We saw a USFS employee ram her pickup truck into the portable toilet at a trail staging area, just to have an excuse to shut it down.


28 posted on 02/08/2009 7:26:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: george76

Bump for Utah!


29 posted on 02/08/2009 7:26:59 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Norman Bates

I believe so:

http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations/Karl_Malone.php

All hail the Mailman!


30 posted on 02/08/2009 7:27:43 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (B.O. ? BOHICA!!!)
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To: george76; All

10th Amendment


31 posted on 02/08/2009 7:28:46 PM PST by edcoil (Hey, I found my round-tuit, guess I'll go to work now.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I hope that are are correct.


32 posted on 02/08/2009 7:29:47 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

LOL! Hopefully you can tear up that road from CA? ;-)

Stay on this in UT. You guys and gals need to fight for this. This is a big deal. I hope the LDS members get behind this to reassert your state’s rights. You will be doing a great service to other states and America like Mormons did in CA on Prop 8 then got villified. I hope Mitt jumps in to help.


33 posted on 02/08/2009 7:30:11 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: george76
When the original colonies formed the union, they ceded disputed lands east of the Mississippi to the United States to settle soldiers wages (Ohio) and make money by selling them to settlers to pay off federal war debts. All of the land in the states east of the Mississippi were sold and the federal government retained no lands in federal ownership in those states except for lighthouses and forts.

All lands in the east that are National Parks etc. were purchased or donated in ownership to the federal government.

West of the Mississippi, the lands not settled were at first public domain. When they had been surveyed and made available for homestead under acts of prescription leading to a land patent, they became “public lands.” (Supreme Court definition.)

Around the early 1900s, the federal government “reserved” lands with forests from settlement. These Forest Reserves became the National Forests. Lands not disposed of that were used for grazing to which some split estate interest had accrued were organized under the Taylor Grazing Act in 1934 so that there could be some management oversight from overgrazing by wandering sheep herds. These lands were to be kept in trust for the people of the states in which they lay.

Under FLPMA in the 1970s, the federal government just decreed that it would retain all the lands not settled in federal ownership - in effect violating that trust.

Under the equal footing doctrine, all states are to be equal. In the West, lands in many states are still in federal ownership. This is not equal footing. The Civil War is over and the east coast should be divested of its hegemony over the west. The Western states are all grown up now and should be given back their inheritance.

34 posted on 02/08/2009 7:30:14 PM PST by marsh2
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To: editor-surveyor

Where was that, California? western Slope, eastern?


35 posted on 02/08/2009 7:30:44 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: george76

All land should belong to either the state or the private individual. The only exception being military installations. The Fed should have no state land under its control.


36 posted on 02/08/2009 7:32:17 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: george76

Do it Utah.


37 posted on 02/08/2009 7:32:38 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: bboop

Western side, Tuolumne county, Deer Creek Trail head to be specific.


38 posted on 02/08/2009 7:33:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: george76

The best news I have heard in a while. We all need to take our states back from the enviro bought and paid for congress.


39 posted on 02/08/2009 7:33:18 PM PST by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I was in the 1990’s Sagebrush Rebellion in Lincoln County, NM. We wrote a county ordinance to take over the administration of federal lands within the county. Otero and Chavez Counties passed similar ordinances. The commissioners approved it and formed a committee to deal with federal land issues. It certainly got the attention of the federal land managers and they began working with the local govt.,permittees, and other users much more closely and rationally. We never did take over the administration of the federal lands but the working relations with the feds improved a lot and they began to take into account the custom, culture, and economy of the county in their planning processes.

I earned an audit from the IRS and my personal phone tapped as did a few other vocal activists.

It was fun and I believe we will have ample opportunity in the near future to assert our unalienable rights in a similar manner.


40 posted on 02/08/2009 7:33:22 PM PST by nmrancher
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