Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

[Cyropaedia]

It’s impossible to think that Dunham ever believed that she was going to be a mother without changing a diaper. And even she realized it wasn’t going to happen on it’s own.

[curiosity]

Um, stewardess? I'm flying with my three week old baby to Seattle to see my old high school friend on Mercer Island so she can teach me how to change a diaper. However my boy's just dropped a load, so if you would be so kind, could you please change his diaper for me?

RFLOL! I can certainly visualize it!

[conservativegramma]

All that gibberish for ducking the main question posed by you which was: And you know this how????

Who gives a rip whether she skipped class or not - - the issue that flew over your head is the simple statement of fact that women are taught how - which is how we know. Whether O's Mom paid attention or not is moot to the above question..."And you know this HOW?"

Also noticed you failed to address another important question: Why are you so obscessed with keeping the long form hidden?

Res ipsa loquitur.

[curiosity]

the issue that flew over your head is the simple statement of fact that women are taught how -

Being taught, and actually learning, are two different things, granny.

Just because she was taught does not mean she was proficient at it. Nor does it mean that should could not have benefited from some pointers offered by her friends on Mercer island.

This is so obvious, I can't believe I have to point it out.

Why are you so obscessed with keeping the long form hidden?

I'm not keeping anything hidden, dear granny. You seem to be confusing me with the Hawaii Department of Public Health. It's their policy to keep everyone's (not just Bambi's) long form private, not mine.

Now why are you so obcessed with seeing the long form? Why aren't you satistfied with the short form?

[Cyropaedia]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

Now I know that this statute was revised in 1982. But to what extent it was actually revised I am still not sure. It could have well been minor revisions to an already existing law. I have been trying to find what the law books were saying back in '59 through '61, but it has been relatively difficult to go back that far for specific information.

Again, the logistics involved sort of mandate that kind of flexibility because Hawaii is a tiny state that is isolated out there in the Pacific. And travel in and out state becomes a necessity for just about everyone at some point or another.

[Michael Michael]

Wrong. You can obtain a Certification of Live Birth for an out of state birth provided you can prove actual Hawaiian residency.

Again, a Certification of Live Birth is NOT a document unto itself. It is not issued in the absence of a birth certificate. That's because a Certification of Live Birth is a COPY of the birth certificate.

Read what it says right on the document itself:

This COPY serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]

It says this COPY, not this CERTIFICATE.

Now look at the statute cited on the document providing for the issuance of COPIES of birth certificates.

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.

So once again, a Certification of Live Birth is NOT a document unto itself. It is a COPY of a birth certificate and is only issued if there is already a BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file with the Department of Health.

No birth certificate, no Certification of Live Birth.

[conservativegramma]

Still ducking both questions and using insults at the same time. Time for the old -

[Cyropaedia]

Nonsense. You still haven't provided plausible reasons. Simple enough.

We can refer to you "Mr. Media Matters" since we all know that you are fan of the site and probably of David Brock himself.

[Michael Michael]

Now I know that this statute was revised in 1982.

No, that statute was ENACTED in 1982. The earliest year in the statute's history is the year it was enacted. Revisions or amendments are listed afterward. Such as this, from 338-13 which I previously quoted:

[L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

It was ENACTED in 1949. And subsequently revised or amended in 1955, 1959, and most recently in 1978.

[mlo]

You know, most of those troll characteristics apply to you and your birther friends. Who is really the troll here?

[Cyropaedia]

Listen, David Brock, we know that’s really you. You can come out of the closet, -one more time. You’ve already been promoting your website here at FR.

[trumandogz]

When you take Constitutional Law, you will learn about the Establishment Clause, the Equal Protection Clause and Diaper Change Clause.