Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

[trumandogz]

There were armies of people willing, able, and available to step forward to give witness to the former presidents’ natural born status.

While you say that there were armies of people who stepped forward to give witness to the former presidents’ natural born status, you seem to be unable to name who any of the members of these armies.

Please name the people the people who gave baby showers for the mothers of James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Pierce or Harry Truman.

[MHGinTN]

Toss a stone into a pack of foaming at the mouth obamanoids and the one that yelps got the missile. Bwahahahaha ... right on cue, obama annoyance droid.

[mlo]

"The reason it looks so funky is because in earlier scans you couldn't really see it. So it was suggested that it be gone over with pencil lead and then scanned again."

Thanks. It was obvious something was done to the seal to make it stand out.

[srweaver]

Thanks for the response.

I have no way of knowing the answer to those questions because NO evidence has been made available.

I think traveling on a foreign passport after the age of majority definitely says something about your citizenship. There is no record of Obama having an American passport, though he travelled abroad extensively, prior to the one issued him as an Illinois senator.

He has sealed his college records, so there is no way we can know if he IS an American, or attended college in America as a U.S. citizen.

So, let’s see some evidence that will stand up in a court of law providing proof of his citizenship status.

[visually_augmented]

MM:”Given that the short form Certification of Live Birth is a certified copy of the long form Certificate of Live Birth, no.”

I would contend that the short form is not necessarily a certified “copy” of the long form. What if the long form certificate was later found to have a misspelling or some sort of error? Would they perpetuate that error on the “certified” short form? I very much doubt that. What about the case where a childs paternity is later found to be different from what is on the original BC? I suspect there are processes and procedures in place to make changes, corrections, or ammendments to this document. I also expect that each state has different rules for what information and how each BC can be changed from its original.

[Michael Michael]

He has sealed his college records, so there is no way we can know if he IS an American, or attended college in America as a U.S. citizen.

How would he have lost his US citizenship in order to attend college as a non-US citizen?

[pickyourpoison]

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[Michael Michael]

I would contend that the short form is not necessarily a certified “copy” of the long form. What if the long form certificate was later found to have a misspelling or some sort of error? Would they perpetuate that error on the “certified” short form? I very much doubt that.

If there were indeed an error discovered on the original record, then I imagine it would be the original record that would be corrected, and any subsequent copies would reflect that correction, rather than the error corrected by way of a copy, leaving the original record in error.

[MHGinTN]

First, can you prove he was ever a U.S. Citizen, without using the suspect and ‘not suitable for legal preceedings’ CoLB? ... A documents expert retired from the FBI has stated the version you’ve seen on the Net is not suitable evidence, so what ya got, punk? Prove the poseur-in-chief ever was a U.S. citizen.

[srweaver]

Don’t know how he would have “lost” his U.S. citizenship.

We don’t even know if he had it (ever). There has been no proof proffred (other that the suspect online “certification” which would not pass muster in a court of law.

Obama claims to have been a British citizen. Who knows what citizenship(s) he may have attained through connections with his Indonesian stepfather Soetoro.

This could all be cleared up by just a smidgen of transparency and nominal access to basic records.

Methinks when Barack speaks of transparency, he speaks of others, not of himself of those closely associated with him.

[srweaver]

There has been a massive breakdown in this situation in requirement to provide even the basic proof of eligibility for office.

Show us the document(s).

[srweaver]

Oops. Thought I was responding to Michael Michael.

[wintertime]

So?....Where is the self-evident evidence of Obama’s natural birth status?

The following is self-evident:

1) Obama had a father that was never a citizen and never even a immigrant. Obama’s father was merely a student visitor with a student visa. What other president can claim this? None!

2) Obama was adopted by an Indonesian man and Obama lived many years in Indonesia. Has he proved evidence that he was properly repatriated? No!

3) Unlike other presidents no one in Obama’s early life has stepped forward and proudly announced that they knew the family at the time of his birth, visited the mom and baby, or even knew him as an infant. Odd, isn't it?

4) Obama has used more than one first and last name. How many presidents have done that? None!

5) Then rather than simply release this easily obtained information regarding birth certificate, repatriation records, college admission forms, passport info and travel, and adoption records, Obama chooses to stall and obfuscate.

Sorry....We have **never** had a president with such a bizarre family history and shady past. Whereas other president's natural born status was self-evident, Obama’s reluctance to reveal his past is self-evident as well.

[ga medic]

“There is no record of Obama having an American passport, though he travelled abroad extensively, prior to the one issued him as an Illinois senator.”

How do you know this? Where are the records of previous passports retained? Should there be a record of a previous passport for Obama? If I give you the information on my current passport, can you tell me if I had been issued a passport previously, and where I traveled?

[Michael Michael]

First, can you prove he was ever a U.S. Citizen, without using the suspect and ‘not suitable for legal preceedings’ CoLB?

I can only say that I haven't seen any credible evidence that he was born anyplace other than Hawaii

A documents expert retired from the FBI has stated the version you’ve seen on the Net is not suitable evidence, so what ya got, punk?

Suitable for whom? Certainly it's not suitable for any purely legal purpose. But then it was never posted for such a purpose in the first place. However it is suitable as evidence for the general public, and for individuals to form opinions.

[MHGinTN]

What ‘credible evidence’ is there that he was born in Hawaii? He has provided nothing credible so far. Ah, but we know his word is good enough for you.

[MHGinTN]

And ... he has family members who have stated he was bron in Kenya. But of course they can be dismissed as unreliable since they contradict what you have chosen to believe.

[Michael Michael]

We don’t even know if he had it (ever). There has been no proof proffred (other that the suspect online “certification” which would not pass muster in a court of law.

I've found nothing particularly suspect about it. And the scanned image was never intended to be proffered before a court of law. It was only ever intended for dissemination to the public at large.

Obama claims to have been a British citizen. Who knows what citizenship(s) he may have attained through connections with his Indonesian stepfather Soetoro.

None of which would have had any effect on his US citizenship.

This could all be cleared up by just a smidgen of transparency and nominal access to basic records.

That's a political issue. Anyone who felt that Obama had not provided enough information to the public was perfectly free not to vote for him.

Methinks when Barack speaks of transparency, he speaks of others, not of himself of those closely associated with him.

Again, that's a political issue.

[Scanian]

I think Zero is pretty “transparent.” Most of the people on this thread have no trouble seeing through him.

[Albertafriend]

I have read that article before. I was just for clarification about the * so no one would misunderstand what you meant.