Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

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[El Gato]

Decision in lawsuit in NH claiming John McCain was not natural born.

It's the first of many "no standing" rulings in the 2008 Presidential election cycle. It's really rather disgusting, as it lays out the case for no ordinary citizen having standing to challenge the eligibility of a candidate for President of the United States. Heck Arnold could run and under this ruling, no ordinary citizen could challenge his eligibility.

Disgusting

[Michael Michael]

I'm still waiting for a troll to get a real paper COLB, scan it, save it, and then show me how it looks like the Obama scan image.

If any troll thinks that Obama's bogus COLB is a real scan of a genuine COLB, all he has to do is to show me how it can be done naturally. I said SHOW ME and not freakin' talk me to death.

This real scan of a genuine COLB is virtually identical to the scan of Obama's certificate, complete with pixel halos and missing green pixels between letters.

For reference, here is the scan of Obama's certificate on Fact Check. Other than the scan of Obama's certificate being a little more contrasty (and there's a significant variance of contrast among other real scans of genuine COLBS) the characteristics of both scans are identical, as anyone with a pair of eyeballs can see for themself.

So, here's a real paper COLB that was scanned and looks like the Obama scanned image.

And if anyone has any doubts as to the authenticity of the real scan used for comparison here, they can simply ask Polarik. Because it's his (note the URL).

[El Gato]

Stanley admittedly is an unusual name for a mother, but even conceding that point, how could someone remember this kind of minutiae for 5 decades? It would be a very different matter had there been good reason to reinforce the memory, such as reading about “mama Stanley” and her mixed-race son in the local paper 2-3 years later.

The woman with this memory *was* a teacher at BHO's school in Hawaii. So she would have some reason to refresh the memory, but it would have been a minimum of 10+ years later, probably more like 15, because she was a *high school* English teacher. So the specificity is still suspect, and the death of the doctor she named still very convenient.

[El Gato]

So, here's a real paper COLB that was scanned and looks like the Obama scanned image.

Doesn't look the same to me. The seal is clearly visible, as are the fold lines. Neither requires any edge detection algorithms to be visible. When I look at the lettering, in blowup, I do see the compression artifacts, as one would expect, but there are green pixels (more obvious in a reverse color version) inside and between the letters, including in the "smeared" areas caused by the compression algorithm.

[MHGinTN]

Oops, another new obamanoid liar shot down. It is almost comical, if the Constitution were not being pissed upon by these Alinskyite sycophants of Obammy ‘dreams’.

[mlo]

"...there are green pixels (more obvious in a reverse color version) inside and between the letters, including in the "smeared" areas caused by the compression algorithm."

Just as there are on the Obama scan.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

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[mlo]

Do you ever have anything of substance to say, or is insulting people the only thing you know how to do?

If anyone is pissing on the constitution it is people who want to over turn a presidential election over a fantasy. The people who stand up and say, "wait a minute, where's the evidence for this?", even though they disagree with that president's politics, *those* are the constitutional defenders. Not you.

[mlo]

"The seal is clearly visible, as are the fold lines."

Is the seal on that image original to the scan, or is it something Polarik pasted on?

[curiosity]

5. I'll do some more research on the web to try to find out any information about Obama and Queens hospital. If I find any interesting information, I will get back to you.

Do get back to me, too. I am somewhat curious how the rumor that he was born in Queens hospital got started.

[Michael Michael]

The seal is clearly visible...

Well duh! It was gone over with pencil lead! That because the seal wasn't visible in earlier scans.

...as are the fold lines.

The top fold line in the Obama scan is clearly visible. The bottom fold isn't because the ridges of the folds that allow the shadows to be case to make the folds visible in the first place are much smaller in the bottom fold of the document. And higher contrast blows out smaller details.

Neither requires any edge detection algorithms to be visible.

No edge detection algorithms are required to see the seal in the Obama scan. The seal is evident on its own. The seal on the Fight The Smears page isn't visible because they resized the image and made it much smaller, so you lose some of the finer details.

When I look at the lettering, in blowup, I do see the compression artifacts, as one would expect, but there are green pixels (more obvious in a reverse color version) inside and between the letters, including in the "smeared" areas caused by the compression algorithm.

The relative lack of green is essentially the same. I say relative lack because due to the difference in contrast, the one image has more green in it to begin with. In other words, the background background, i.e. the background that the background pattern appears on, is more "green" in the one image and more "white" in the Obama image.

And accounting for that, the relative lack of green in each image is fundamentally no different.

The bottom line however is that none of the characteristics in the Obama scan are inconsistent with the characteristics that can be found in a scan of a genuine certificate.

[Michael Michael]

Is the seal on that image original to the scan, or is it something Polarik pasted on?

It's original to the scan.

The reason it looks so funky is because in earlier scans you couldn't really see it. So it was suggested that it be gone over with pencil lead and then scanned again.

[Michael Michael]

By the way, here's the earlier scan I mentioned.

The seal isn't really visible, nor are the folds.

[Cyropaedia]

I'll tell you the same thing I told your comrade: call the DoH yourself, and ask them if and why they were actually using to different seals for CoLB's in March, 2007 and June, 2007.

One individual has already bothered to call the DoH and receive answers.

[SlapHappyPappy]

I actually do know who he was because it’s been posted on this very thread, including the fact he is dead. We do have his name. We even have a woman who claims she had a conversation with him the day Obama was born and that he mentioned the fact. In other words, it did not go unnoticed despite the fact that it would not have been as interesting as many are trying to say it was.

Once again, this is drawing attention away from the real issues and makes us look stupid for pursuing them.

[Albertafriend]

Does your use of the * mean that you are questioning the authenticity of the claims you are using them with? I have done some research on the lady since here article came out and she was one of his teachers and she did teach English at the high school in the 70s.

[Albertafriend]

I was in 11th and 12th grade in 1961. I can remember a couple of conversations I had during that time. One was with the guy who became my husband for the last 42 years so he is a constant reminder of that one. The other was with a friend about whether I should go to Gr. 13(Ontario school system) which I did based a lot on that conversation so that makes it kind of hard to forget. I do think the woman is making up a story about the doctor though since by that time he was out of the baby delivery practice.

[little jeremiah]

And it’s so convenient that she didn’t come up with this - memory - until after the good doc died... six or so months ago. Sad, that she didn’t come up with the memory a year ago when he was alive, so he could have had his say as well.

[El Gato]

I actually do know who he was because it’s been posted on this very thread, including the fact he is dead. We do have his name. We even have a woman who claims she had a conversation with him the day Obama was born and that he mentioned the fact.

No you don't know. What you know is that one of BHO's high school teachers, Barbara Nelson claims that this doctor, , Dr. Rodney T. West who had stopped practicing in 1956, around 5 years before BHO was born, delivered BHO. Very conveniently, The Good Doctor died in February of 2008, and was still active enough in November of 2007 to be conducting book signings and greeting visitors at the USS Arizona memorial.

All photos from the November 11, 2007 Honolulu Advertiser story.

[El Gato]

Does your use of the * mean that you are questioning the authenticity of the claims you are using them with?

I'm doubting her claims, but not who she is. The "*" was just to give emphasis to the word "was". Not to emphasize the past tense sense of it, but rather that she did have a reason to refresh the memory, but it would have been not a couple of years later, but rather 10 years later.

Go to the Buffalo News article and read how she gushes over "Dr. Obama" (BHO Sr., who never earned PhD, only a Master's).