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To: Diego1618

Are you just looking for a proof text for old earth or are you trying to understand the passage?

The first thing you need to realize is we’re all sinners. Your sin has separated you from a holy God. When you die you’ll be banished to eternal Hell if your sin isn’t paid for. Hell was created for Satan and his angels but when Adam decided to follow Satan he gave dominion of Earth over to Satan and earned a place in Hell.

You can’t pay for your sin and neither can I. Only a perfect sacrifice can appease God’s wrath at our disgusting disobedience. Jesus who was God incarnate agreed to pay. God only requires one thing of us: To accept that payment with the knowledge it’s the only way.


154 posted on 02/06/2009 2:35:43 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

That’s good. Very good. I would like to see you post more of the same. YEC is such a terrible diversion.


156 posted on 02/06/2009 3:06:24 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: demshateGod; DallasMike
Are you just looking for a proof text for old earth or are you trying to understand the passage?

Scripture is full of "proof texts" for a pre Adamic Earth. one of my favorites is [2 Peter 3:5-7] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Notice that Peter speaks of the old heavens and the new heavens. He also references the world that was then....and the world that is now. My FRiends.....the heavens that are now (ours also) are the same heavens that both Adam and Noah saw. The Sun, the Moon and the Stars. There has been no change in the heavens since Eden. What are the heavens that Peter says were of old? His heavens....the same as ours were the same as Noah and Adam.

There are only two places in scripture that speak of a world wide flood. Noah's [Genesis 7 and 8] and [Genesis 1:1-2]. Peter is referencing the flood of [Genesis 1:1-2] and not that of Noah. Nothing happened after Noah's flood that changed the heavens....the Sun, the moon and the Stars. His flood had no effect on the heavens but confined itself to the Earth only.

So....we must ask ourselves, why does the passage in Peter clearly speak of a former heaven? Was it a reconstitution of former things? Did this alteration of former things take place in seven days?

Note that Peter says "the Earth was standing in the water and out of the water" or......the planet Earth was submerged with part of the land protruding from the water. Imagine a planet Earth awash in water in a dark, dismal ruined solar system and rolling around in a big formless mess.....a flood of major proportions.

By the time that The Lord had undertaken the re-creation of this Earth, Satan was now a fallen creature as he re-entered Eden. He had been the past ruler of this Earth, but had rebelled and this had caused the great catastrophe of [Genesis 1:1-2]. He had convinced many other angelic beings to rebel with him, to dethrone God and become the supreme ruler of the universe [Isaiah 14:12-14][Ezekiel 28:11-17][1 Timothy 3:6]. His rebellion caused the destruction of every living thing on this pre Adamic Earth. [Jeremiah 4:23-26] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Was the Earth ever described as being without "form and void" during Noah's flood? Does this verse perhaps account for some ancient fossils that we have unearthed?

168 posted on 02/06/2009 8:35:39 PM PST by Diego1618
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